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Could you explain your source for the statistic you used on an avg. 38.5 hour work week for teachers? The only relevant information I found in the linked PDF wa

Could you explain your source for the statistic you used on an avg. 38.5 hour work week for teachers? The only relevant information I found in the linked PDF was chart 2, which has the following footnote: NOTE: The calculations of hours worked are based on data collected about how survey respondents spent “yesterday.” Thus, average weekly work hours are an extrapolation based on the activity for 1 day. That footnote seems to imply that the avg. hours worked per week calculation may not be very accurate. The linked PDF also doesn't mention if the hours reported are the contracted hours for the teacher or the total hours spent working including work at home and outside of school hours.

yummyfajitas 15y ago
I got it by eyeballing Table 10 to get about 5.5 hours worked/day, multiplied by 7. Assuming the sample is statistically representative, the hours/week calculation is accurate. Across the population as a whole, it is a mathematical identity that: Sum(Sum(hours(day, teacher), all teachers), days in week) == Sum(Sum(hours(day, teacher), days in week), all teachers) In a statistical sample, the equality will be approximate due to sampling error, and it's worthy of a note. Maybe the ATUS did a bad job, but in general I assume they do an adequate job absent evidence they did not. Do you have better data?
argv_empty 15y ago
That footnote seems to imply that the avg. hours worked per week calculation may not be very accurate. The linked PDF also doesn't mention if the hours reported are the contracted hours for the teacher or the total hours spent working including work at home and outside of school hours. The ATUS asks about work done for pay (or for free if it's for a family-owned business), not work you do beyond the hours you actually get paid for.
- yummyfajitas 15y ago
  The ATUS asks about work done for pay (or for free if it's for a family-owned business), not work you do beyond the hours you actually get paid for. False. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.tn.htm http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.tn.htm [edit: can't reply to your reply, but: "This category includes time spent working, doing activities as part of one’s job, engaging in income-generating activities (not as part of one’s job), and job search activities. "Working" includes hours spent doing the specific tasks required of one’s main or other job, regardless of location or time of day. "Work-related activities" include activities that are not obviously work but are done as part of one’s job, such as having a business lunch or playing golf with clients." ]
  - argv_empty 15y ago
    Where in that document does it give this alternative definition for "for either pay or profit"? BTW, "These activities are those that persons 'are paid for or will be paid for.'" That does not describe unpaid hours.

yummyfajitas 15y ago

I got it by eyeballing Table 10 to get about 5.5 hours worked/day, multiplied by 7. Assuming the sample is statistically representative, the hours/week calculation is accurate. Across the population as a whole, it is a mathematical identity that: Sum(Sum(hours(day, teacher), all teachers), days in week) == Sum(Sum(hours(day, teacher), days in week), all teachers) In a statistical sample, the equality will be approximate due to sampling error, and it's worthy of a note. Maybe the ATUS did a bad job, but in general I assume they do an adequate job absent evidence they did not. Do you have better data?

argv_empty 15y ago

That footnote seems to imply that the avg. hours worked per week calculation may not be very accurate. The linked PDF also doesn't mention if the hours reported are the contracted hours for the teacher or the total hours spent working including work at home and outside of school hours. The ATUS asks about work done for pay (or for free if it's for a family-owned business), not work you do beyond the hours you actually get paid for.

yummyfajitas 15y ago
The ATUS asks about work done for pay (or for free if it's for a family-owned business), not work you do beyond the hours you actually get paid for. False. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.tn.htm http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.tn.htm [edit: can't reply to your reply, but: "This category includes time spent working, doing activities as part of one’s job, engaging in income-generating activities (not as part of one’s job), and job search activities. "Working" includes hours spent doing the specific tasks required of one’s main or other job, regardless of location or time of day. "Work-related activities" include activities that are not obviously work but are done as part of one’s job, such as having a business lunch or playing golf with clients." ]
- argv_empty 15y ago
  Where in that document does it give this alternative definition for "for either pay or profit"? BTW, "These activities are those that persons 'are paid for or will be paid for.'" That does not describe unpaid hours.