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Demonization of neonics is misplaced. You can spray at night when bees aren't active. You can spray when your plants aren't in bloom and attracting bees. Oh

Demonization of neonics is misplaced. You can spray at night when bees aren't active. You can spray when your plants aren't in bloom and attracting bees. Oh well, the 2 minutes hate have emerged against neonics and farmers pivot like they ways do.

jamal-kumar 4y ago
If we're talking about trying to stem the destruction of wild species here (The problem really isn't about domesticated honeybees), then you should definitely consider the fact that spraying at night won't help those wild bees which are nocturnal [1], nor does your point of view on these address the fact that these pesticides have a degree of environmental persistence. [2] This isn't demonization, it's just straight facts when there's plenty of alternatives out there which aren't feeding the giant agri-industrial complex behemoth. [1] https://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-bees-fly-at-night.html https://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-bees-fly-at-night.html [2] https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b06388 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b06388
- 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
  You're mistaken. only big ag can pivot. The smaller your are, the harder it is to keep up with all the regulation. Notice also the phenomenon of regulatory capture.
  - jamal-kumar 4y ago
    If you want to stop getting downvoted try refuting my central points directly, I'm not really sold
    - 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
      Down vote to -infinity. I don't care about your internet points.
DiggyJohnson 4y ago
> Demonization This is a dramatic overstatement. You’re disagreeing about neonics, I’m sorry if that’s hard not to take personally but it seems like something than could be discussed without the vitriol.
- 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
  I don't understand how you can parse my sentence and think that the object being demonized is either me or farmers. Yes, neonics are being demonized.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    They don't think that. They're saying that your use of the term 'demonization' is over-dramatic and unhelpful.
    - 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
      The word "demonization" is an apt description of the rhetoric being applied to this topic.

jamal-kumar 4y ago

If we're talking about trying to stem the destruction of wild species here (The problem really isn't about domesticated honeybees), then you should definitely consider the fact that spraying at night won't help those wild bees which are nocturnal [1], nor does your point of view on these address the fact that these pesticides have a degree of environmental persistence. [2] This isn't demonization, it's just straight facts when there's plenty of alternatives out there which aren't feeding the giant agri-industrial complex behemoth. [1] https://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-bees-fly-at-night.html https://www.buzzaboutbees.net/do-bees-fly-at-night.html [2] https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b06388 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.7b06388

42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
You're mistaken. only big ag can pivot. The smaller your are, the harder it is to keep up with all the regulation. Notice also the phenomenon of regulatory capture.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  If you want to stop getting downvoted try refuting my central points directly, I'm not really sold
  - 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
    Down vote to -infinity. I don't care about your internet points.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago

> Demonization This is a dramatic overstatement. You’re disagreeing about neonics, I’m sorry if that’s hard not to take personally but it seems like something than could be discussed without the vitriol.

42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
I don't understand how you can parse my sentence and think that the object being demonized is either me or farmers. Yes, neonics are being demonized.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  They don't think that. They're saying that your use of the term 'demonization' is over-dramatic and unhelpful.
  - 42e6e8c8-f7b8-4 4y ago
    The word "demonization" is an apt description of the rhetoric being applied to this topic.