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You're not. I really like Gnome and how it gets out of my way. Most of the time complaints about Gnome boil down to "It's not behaving the way I think it shoul

by esarbe 4y ago

You're not. I really like Gnome and how it gets out of my way. Most of the time complaints about Gnome boil down to "It's not behaving the way I think it should" and that - to me - is not a valid criticism. People love to hate and Gnome is very prominent, so it is going to get hate and heat. Let's take the linked article for example. What's its main topic? "Windows management". You know what? It's 2022 and I don't want to play "Window manager" anymore. I want the UI to do that and you know what? Gnome does that for me. I got code to write and bugs to fix - I don't want to waste my time managing windows. But hater's gonna hate - what'cha gonna do?

simion314 4y ago
>I don't want to play "Window manager" anymore. I want the UI to do that and you know what? Gnome does that for me. I got code to write and bugs to fix - I don't want to waste my time managing windows. What do you mean? Like GNOME will remove the concept of windows and you will have only 1 window maximum? Do you use Slack or email? How do you get notifications without a System Tray? Or you use a distro that restored some of the features back since GNOME is targeting only people that use only GNOME apps and it seems only 1 window at a time. I dislike GNOME the community for their attitude, and dislike their sotfware for their shit quality and missing features, but you won't see me browsing GNOME forums or reddits to hate on them, they are getting enough hate from people that loved them just a few years back and loved when feature were removed until their favorite shit was removed and then they finally understood that the GNOME community devs and designers are not nice, just a bunch of big ego dudes pretending to be smart developers or genius designers and UX experts.
- esarbe 4y ago
  > How do you get notifications without a System Tray? What are you even taking about? https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Notifications https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Notifications > I dislike GNOME the community for their attitude, and dislike their sotfware ... So... hater's gonna hate?
  - simion314 4y ago
    For me dislike is not the same as hate, it produces different feelings. About System Tray, I mean GNOME refused to implement the standards and created their own cooler system , maybe they changed their minds , I see you have or had to use an extension https://github.com/Rickycezar/gnome-shell-slack-integration https://github.com/Rickycezar/gnome-shell-slack-integration. Btw I mean not only the message popup but a way to just glance at the Tray area and see you missed a notification or that you have unread emails in Thunderbird. If Sack,Thunderibird,Discord,Skype work by default with no extra extension or extra compatibility layer in GNOME then great I did not know that GNOME developers lost this battle with the users.
    - esarbe 4y ago
      I'm sorry, this was not a very productive reply and I do regret the tone in which I answered. Mea culpa. > For me dislike is not the same as hate, it produces different feelings. Fair enough. > If Sack,Thunderibird,Discord,Skype work by default with no extra extension or extra compatibility layer in GNOME then great I get notifications for Thunderbird, Firefox, Teams and other applications. I don't know if any of them have extra code to supply notifications for Gnome, but I don't use extensions or compatibility plugins. > I did not know that GNOME developers lost this battle with the users. I'm very happy with the way notifications work in Gnome. The system tray was a burning heap of trash and every applications was trying to dump their icon in it to have extra screen space. I'm not sorry it's gone.
      - simion314 4y ago
        You did not answer if there is a way for you to know that you have unread messages, with a Tray I can just look and see if I have unread stuff on Slack, or an unread email or maybe updates pending. And yes I can remove the System Tray if I don't like it for some reason or I can hide some of the apps in it. Long time ago when I was working on cross platform desktop apps the toolkit Qt,Net or Adobe AIR would handle the Tray for me, and the menus , I did not had to write specific code for Windows,Mac and Linux. What GNOME devs did is ask app develoeprs to screw the standards and write GNOME specific code, even GTK devs got rude answers from GNOME devs, this days GTK is GNOME only toolkit from GNOME POV.

by esarbe 4y ago

simion314 4y ago

>I don't want to play "Window manager" anymore. I want the UI to do that and you know what? Gnome does that for me. I got code to write and bugs to fix - I don't want to waste my time managing windows. What do you mean? Like GNOME will remove the concept of windows and you will have only 1 window maximum? Do you use Slack or email? How do you get notifications without a System Tray? Or you use a distro that restored some of the features back since GNOME is targeting only people that use only GNOME apps and it seems only 1 window at a time. I dislike GNOME the community for their attitude, and dislike their sotfware for their shit quality and missing features, but you won't see me browsing GNOME forums or reddits to hate on them, they are getting enough hate from people that loved them just a few years back and loved when feature were removed until their favorite shit was removed and then they finally understood that the GNOME community devs and designers are not nice, just a bunch of big ego dudes pretending to be smart developers or genius designers and UX experts.

esarbe 4y ago
> How do you get notifications without a System Tray? What are you even taking about? https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Notifications https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Notifications > I dislike GNOME the community for their attitude, and dislike their sotfware ... So... hater's gonna hate?
- simion314 4y ago
  For me dislike is not the same as hate, it produces different feelings. About System Tray, I mean GNOME refused to implement the standards and created their own cooler system , maybe they changed their minds , I see you have or had to use an extension https://github.com/Rickycezar/gnome-shell-slack-integration https://github.com/Rickycezar/gnome-shell-slack-integration. Btw I mean not only the message popup but a way to just glance at the Tray area and see you missed a notification or that you have unread emails in Thunderbird. If Sack,Thunderibird,Discord,Skype work by default with no extra extension or extra compatibility layer in GNOME then great I did not know that GNOME developers lost this battle with the users.
  - esarbe 4y ago
    I'm sorry, this was not a very productive reply and I do regret the tone in which I answered. Mea culpa. > For me dislike is not the same as hate, it produces different feelings. Fair enough. > If Sack,Thunderibird,Discord,Skype work by default with no extra extension or extra compatibility layer in GNOME then great I get notifications for Thunderbird, Firefox, Teams and other applications. I don't know if any of them have extra code to supply notifications for Gnome, but I don't use extensions or compatibility plugins. > I did not know that GNOME developers lost this battle with the users. I'm very happy with the way notifications work in Gnome. The system tray was a burning heap of trash and every applications was trying to dump their icon in it to have extra screen space. I'm not sorry it's gone.
    - simion314 4y ago
      You did not answer if there is a way for you to know that you have unread messages, with a Tray I can just look and see if I have unread stuff on Slack, or an unread email or maybe updates pending. And yes I can remove the System Tray if I don't like it for some reason or I can hide some of the apps in it. Long time ago when I was working on cross platform desktop apps the toolkit Qt,Net or Adobe AIR would handle the Tray for me, and the menus , I did not had to write specific code for Windows,Mac and Linux. What GNOME devs did is ask app develoeprs to screw the standards and write GNOME specific code, even GTK devs got rude answers from GNOME devs, this days GTK is GNOME only toolkit from GNOME POV.