> The whole concept of emission standards and carbon taxes only makes sense if it's applied and enforced globally and uniformly. If an extra tonne of CO2 costs

> The whole concept of emission standards and carbon taxes only makes sense if it's applied and enforced globally and uniformly. If an extra tonne of CO2 costs $1 in U.S. and $0 in China, the incentive isn't to reduce pollution - the incentive is to move business to China. Yeah, but the point is to get it in some places and then in other places later. Leading by example. Also, there are many things that can't be done abroad. > Europe has been playing the blind green eye politics for a decade - all pretending to be green and environmentally friendly, while in fact largely replacing locally sourced coal with imported Russian gas. I don't understand what you're saying because natural gas is much better than coal. This is pretty well known... The point is that it's temporary until actual renewables are rolled out. You seem to want everything to be perfect already and hand-wave away any improvement whatsoever. I agree they're going way to slow but it's incorrect to say we've made no progress and that all of this is worthless. It has to start somewhere.