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It’s just so strange that the USA has to provide all the weapons, negotiations, saber shaking, etc. to protect Ukraine when Germany and France are so capable!

guerrilla 4y ago
You're confounding capabilities with interests. Defending Ukraine (or rather bogging down Russia) has a lot more value to the US than it does European countries who hesitated as long as possible due to their intertwinement with Russia. The world is not as black and white as the propaganda leads you to believe.
sofixa 4y ago
Why do you think that all is coming from the US? https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/ https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine... 25% comes from the US, but if you order by GDP(second graph), US is fourth. So overall a very big contribution, but far from "all". And about "negotiations" specifically, you're simply wrong - the ones keeping an open line with Putin (for zero gain so far) are Macron and Scholz (both say it's with Zelensky's approval, and he hasn't disproven them so they're probably not lying).
- seibelj 4y ago
  I would fully support withdrawing 100% of our aid and support and letting the EU defend itself. Very tired of giving my taxes to you guys.
  - ryantgtg 4y ago
    Aren’t we mostly giving that money to US defense contractors? Raytheon Technologies, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing are getting the bulk of that $40 billion.
    - lazide 4y ago
      Nothing like giving away the ‘about to expire’ food (I mean missles) to refresh the pantry - and all for a good cause of causing grief to historic opponents who are acting somewhat comic book evil at the moment. We don’t talk about Iraq of course.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    Are you under the impression that Ukraine is a part of the EU or that helping Ukraine defends itself means anything for the defence of the EU? Both of those are untrue. We are all helping Ukraine because it's the right thing to do (being invaded by a genocidal regime is not a nice thing to happen to anyone).

guerrilla 4y ago

You're confounding capabilities with interests. Defending Ukraine (or rather bogging down Russia) has a lot more value to the US than it does European countries who hesitated as long as possible due to their intertwinement with Russia. The world is not as black and white as the propaganda leads you to believe.

sofixa 4y ago

Why do you think that all is coming from the US? https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/ https://www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine... 25% comes from the US, but if you order by GDP(second graph), US is fourth. So overall a very big contribution, but far from "all". And about "negotiations" specifically, you're simply wrong - the ones keeping an open line with Putin (for zero gain so far) are Macron and Scholz (both say it's with Zelensky's approval, and he hasn't disproven them so they're probably not lying).

seibelj 4y ago
I would fully support withdrawing 100% of our aid and support and letting the EU defend itself. Very tired of giving my taxes to you guys.
- ryantgtg 4y ago
  Aren’t we mostly giving that money to US defense contractors? Raytheon Technologies, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing are getting the bulk of that $40 billion.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Nothing like giving away the ‘about to expire’ food (I mean missles) to refresh the pantry - and all for a good cause of causing grief to historic opponents who are acting somewhat comic book evil at the moment. We don’t talk about Iraq of course.
- sofixa 4y ago
  Are you under the impression that Ukraine is a part of the EU or that helping Ukraine defends itself means anything for the defence of the EU? Both of those are untrue. We are all helping Ukraine because it's the right thing to do (being invaded by a genocidal regime is not a nice thing to happen to anyone).