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The US does a generally poor job of being family-friendly. US parents are generally much more stressed out than, say, European parents because the system here t

The US does a generally poor job of being family-friendly. US parents are generally much more stressed out than, say, European parents because the system here tends to say "Fuck you. You chose to have that baby. Raising it is your damn problem." If she got pregnant out of wedlock, it's vastly worse.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
So that is a reason to abort a baby? Rather than fix the society? You see what I mean?
- DoreenMichele 4y ago
  "Put your own oxygen mask on first." If having a baby makes your life so harsh that your own survival is threatened, it's rather hard to take the high road and try to "fix society" so you can avoid an abortion.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    > If having a baby makes your life so harsh that your own survival is threatened Give me a break. This is not why the majority of women choose to have abortions and it is way over the top of na exaggeration. I know five women who had abortions. It was career for three, already had four kids for one who is wealthy, and the last did not like the guy she had the kid with but still dated him after. > it's rather hard to take the high road and try to "fix society" so you can avoid an abortion. But we have not addressed this the WHOLE TIME abortion was legal, and look where we are now. If we start dismantling capitalism we might be able to address why it costs so much to have a baby and why there is such an extreme divergence in wealth that makes it hard for so many people.
    - DoreenMichele 4y ago
      I'm not suggesting it's the explanation for "the majority." I'm tossing out another possible explanation for some women to add to a list of reasons. I have no idea why you seem so angry at me for noting that this is so for some people and those individuals usually are not in a good position to "fix society" much less both have a baby and also fix society.
- rbanffy 4y ago
  > Rather than fix the society? We'd need to fix American society first, but then a lot of people will irrationally scream "socialism" and work against their own interests.
rbanffy 4y ago
> "Fuck you. You chose to have that baby. Raising it is your damn problem." And then they don't really care whether you chose or not to have that baby.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago

So that is a reason to abort a baby? Rather than fix the society? You see what I mean?

DoreenMichele 4y ago
"Put your own oxygen mask on first." If having a baby makes your life so harsh that your own survival is threatened, it's rather hard to take the high road and try to "fix society" so you can avoid an abortion.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  > If having a baby makes your life so harsh that your own survival is threatened Give me a break. This is not why the majority of women choose to have abortions and it is way over the top of na exaggeration. I know five women who had abortions. It was career for three, already had four kids for one who is wealthy, and the last did not like the guy she had the kid with but still dated him after. > it's rather hard to take the high road and try to "fix society" so you can avoid an abortion. But we have not addressed this the WHOLE TIME abortion was legal, and look where we are now. If we start dismantling capitalism we might be able to address why it costs so much to have a baby and why there is such an extreme divergence in wealth that makes it hard for so many people.
  - DoreenMichele 4y ago
    I'm not suggesting it's the explanation for "the majority." I'm tossing out another possible explanation for some women to add to a list of reasons. I have no idea why you seem so angry at me for noting that this is so for some people and those individuals usually are not in a good position to "fix society" much less both have a baby and also fix society.
rbanffy 4y ago
> Rather than fix the society? We'd need to fix American society first, but then a lot of people will irrationally scream "socialism" and work against their own interests.

rbanffy 4y ago

> "Fuck you. You chose to have that baby. Raising it is your damn problem." And then they don't really care whether you chose or not to have that baby.