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Well firstly, let’s stop spreading misinformation that abortion is inherently risky. Abortion is a safe practice, and medically induced abortion can occur at ho

Well firstly, let’s stop spreading misinformation that abortion is inherently risky. Abortion is a safe practice, and medically induced abortion can occur at home. It’s safer than many routine procedures! Secondly, there is an uncountable number of reasons to have an abortion rather than carrying to term. I don’t know which reasons will meet your personal bar of acceptable, but we are talking about rape victims, children, mothers who cannot afford time off because there is minimal maternity leave and they need to provide for their already born kids, professionals who are building their careers, trans men with gender dysphoria, ectopic pregnancy, high-risk pregnancy, cannot afford to stop psychological medication that hasn’t been approved for pregnancy…

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
I want to preface my comments by saying this is a legitimate inquiry. I am not anti-abortion, I am pro-choice. > Well firstly, let’s stop spreading misinformation that abortion is inherently risky. I wasn't, other people are saying that this is what it would lead to , more women choosing these "risky" abortions. > ectopic pregnancy, high-risk pregnancy, cannot afford to stop psychological medication that hasn’t been approved for pregnancy… These are all self defense cases in my opinion and so I do not consider it immoral. > rape victims I understand this as something that would put the life of the mother at risk because of the trauma involved. So not immoral. > children, mothers who cannot afford time off because there is minimal maternity leave and they need to provide for their already born kids, Well this is a problem with society then, yes? Does your suffering give you the right to kill another being (Since we still have not determined when life begins you have to admit this is a possibility.) > professionals who are building their careers I feel this is unacceptable. People make decisions that affect their career everyday. Having sex is one of them. When do you think life begins? I really do not know. So how late in a pregnancy can someone determine that a fetus is going to interfere with their career? > trans men with gender dysphoria Just going to stay away from this one becasue I do not know enough about it.
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- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  That’s the thing though- abortion isn’t risky and it’s important to point out medically induced abortion is a safe procedure that can be done at home. The only time we enter risk is when folks aren’t informed of these options, and when the baby is so far along that the child is very likely wanted and the termination is in cases of tragedy. Frankly, I don’t think any of us get to pick and choose acceptable and unacceptable reasons to have a procedure on a body that isn’t one’s own. The problem with framing abortion as if the fetus is generally viable is that, generally, it isn’t viable. It’s actually normalized not to announce pregnancy until over 3 months in because spontaneous abortions are just that common. There’s no guarantee that any given pregnancy won’t result in an abortion anyways, and gatekeeping abortion will disproportionately harm everyone involved due to the intense trauma of having the choices of one’s body taken away from them for most of a year through no activity that is illegal or worthy of punishment.
- heretogetout 4y ago
  > Well this is a problem with society then, yes? Does your suffering give you the right to kill another being (Since we still have not determined when life begins you have to admit this is a possibility.) I think you have this backwards. Since we haven't defined when life begins and we know the person carrying the fetus is alive we must choose the rights and well-being of the living over the unknown. Otherwise we open ourselves up to allowing legislators to assert that this or that cell might be alive and therefore requires equal protection under the law.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    > Since we haven't defined when life begins and we know the person carrying the fetus is alive we must choose the rights and well-being of the living over the unknown. They have defined when life begins which is why they have cut offs for abortion, like not after 3 months. Also this man was charged with killing an 10 week old fetus. https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article340575.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article340575.html You cannot murder something if we have ruled it does not have a right to life. > Otherwise we open ourselves up to allowing legislators to assert that this or that cell might be alive and therefore requires equal protection under the law. Not at all. The most we could go back is to say that human life begins at fertilization. The other option is when the baby leaves the birth canal. To me those are the only options that makes sense. The three month rule is idiotic.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago

I want to preface my comments by saying this is a legitimate inquiry. I am not anti-abortion, I am pro-choice. > Well firstly, let’s stop spreading misinformation that abortion is inherently risky. I wasn't, other people are saying that this is what it would lead to , more women choosing these "risky" abortions. > ectopic pregnancy, high-risk pregnancy, cannot afford to stop psychological medication that hasn’t been approved for pregnancy… These are all self defense cases in my opinion and so I do not consider it immoral. > rape victims I understand this as something that would put the life of the mother at risk because of the trauma involved. So not immoral. > children, mothers who cannot afford time off because there is minimal maternity leave and they need to provide for their already born kids, Well this is a problem with society then, yes? Does your suffering give you the right to kill another being (Since we still have not determined when life begins you have to admit this is a possibility.) > professionals who are building their careers I feel this is unacceptable. People make decisions that affect their career everyday. Having sex is one of them. When do you think life begins? I really do not know. So how late in a pregnancy can someone determine that a fetus is going to interfere with their career? > trans men with gender dysphoria Just going to stay away from this one becasue I do not know enough about it.

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SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
That’s the thing though- abortion isn’t risky and it’s important to point out medically induced abortion is a safe procedure that can be done at home. The only time we enter risk is when folks aren’t informed of these options, and when the baby is so far along that the child is very likely wanted and the termination is in cases of tragedy. Frankly, I don’t think any of us get to pick and choose acceptable and unacceptable reasons to have a procedure on a body that isn’t one’s own. The problem with framing abortion as if the fetus is generally viable is that, generally, it isn’t viable. It’s actually normalized not to announce pregnancy until over 3 months in because spontaneous abortions are just that common. There’s no guarantee that any given pregnancy won’t result in an abortion anyways, and gatekeeping abortion will disproportionately harm everyone involved due to the intense trauma of having the choices of one’s body taken away from them for most of a year through no activity that is illegal or worthy of punishment.
heretogetout 4y ago
> Well this is a problem with society then, yes? Does your suffering give you the right to kill another being (Since we still have not determined when life begins you have to admit this is a possibility.) I think you have this backwards. Since we haven't defined when life begins and we know the person carrying the fetus is alive we must choose the rights and well-being of the living over the unknown. Otherwise we open ourselves up to allowing legislators to assert that this or that cell might be alive and therefore requires equal protection under the law.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  > Since we haven't defined when life begins and we know the person carrying the fetus is alive we must choose the rights and well-being of the living over the unknown. They have defined when life begins which is why they have cut offs for abortion, like not after 3 months. Also this man was charged with killing an 10 week old fetus. https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article340575.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article340575.html You cannot murder something if we have ruled it does not have a right to life. > Otherwise we open ourselves up to allowing legislators to assert that this or that cell might be alive and therefore requires equal protection under the law. Not at all. The most we could go back is to say that human life begins at fertilization. The other option is when the baby leaves the birth canal. To me those are the only options that makes sense. The three month rule is idiotic.