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I see it being even more grim. This ruling opens the door for any miscarriage past a state-specific threshold to be treated as a potential crime, meaning that t

by LocalH 4y ago

I see it being even more grim. This ruling opens the door for any miscarriage past a state-specific threshold to be treated as a potential crime, meaning that they'll get to dig through all of the above. Then, any other crimes that may be discovered in the process will be prosecuted. Make no mistake, this is a power grab by egotistical religious nuts. They're not going to stop here.

tekknik 4y ago
Where does one register as pregnant and check in with their pregnancy? What state has specifically outlawed miscarriages? It’s important to not spread fake FUD during these times.
- LocalH 4y ago
  The devil is in the details. It's easy to find historical accounts of women who very nearly died, or actually died, because the doctors entrusted with their care either took too long to "approve" a medically necessary abortion, or flat out refused. There have been politicians bemoaning that ectopic fetuses have no "rights" and suggesting that they should be implanted into the uterus, which is currently impossible. The law on this topic, and people's behavior regarding it, is not driven by science, as it should be. It's driven by emotional religious blowback. I'm not a fan of elective abortions, but anything that could potentially put a roadblock in the way of a medically necessary abortion needs to be scrutinized very carefully. Women will die because of this decision at the end of the day. When that happens, the SCOTUS majority will have blood on their hands. Four justices are on record as having said they respected Roe v Wade as "settled law", and here they have shown that to be a lie. Why do we just allow these people to lie and get away with it? Any elected or appointed official who lies as part of their duties should be removed from office and blackballed from ever holding such office for the rest of their life. As well, Justice Thomas indicated that other privacy-based precedent should also be revisited. The Court seems to be trying to undo the whole concept of stare decisis.
- wyatt_dolores 4y ago
  It's not FUD, man. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 Native American Brittney Poolaw was sentenced to 4 years in prison by Oklahoma in Nov 2021 for a miscarriage in a hospital. The court said her meth use constituted manslaughter, not drug addiction. If the mother smokes cigarettes, drinks alcohol, etc and a lawyer can show a reasonable expectation that this can harm a fetus and the mother can be reasonably expected to understand this risk and know doing so could harm her fetus, she could now be prosecuted for manslaughter in those states.
nobody9999 4y ago
>This ruling opens the door for any miscarriage past a state- specific threshold to be treated as a potential crime The saddest part is that many states didn't wait for this decision to prosecute those who miscarry: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/misc-j06.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/misc-j06.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.popsugar.com/news/can-you-be-charged-with-crime-for-miscarrying-46695250 https://www.popsugar.com/news/can-you-be-charged-with-crime-... https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth-miscarriage-murder-abortion-chelsea-becker-news https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth... https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a44552/when-a-miscarriage-becomes-a-crime/ https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a44552/when-a-m...

by LocalH 4y ago

tekknik 4y ago

Where does one register as pregnant and check in with their pregnancy? What state has specifically outlawed miscarriages? It’s important to not spread fake FUD during these times.

LocalH 4y ago
The devil is in the details. It's easy to find historical accounts of women who very nearly died, or actually died, because the doctors entrusted with their care either took too long to "approve" a medically necessary abortion, or flat out refused. There have been politicians bemoaning that ectopic fetuses have no "rights" and suggesting that they should be implanted into the uterus, which is currently impossible. The law on this topic, and people's behavior regarding it, is not driven by science, as it should be. It's driven by emotional religious blowback. I'm not a fan of elective abortions, but anything that could potentially put a roadblock in the way of a medically necessary abortion needs to be scrutinized very carefully. Women will die because of this decision at the end of the day. When that happens, the SCOTUS majority will have blood on their hands. Four justices are on record as having said they respected Roe v Wade as "settled law", and here they have shown that to be a lie. Why do we just allow these people to lie and get away with it? Any elected or appointed official who lies as part of their duties should be removed from office and blackballed from ever holding such office for the rest of their life. As well, Justice Thomas indicated that other privacy-based precedent should also be revisited. The Court seems to be trying to undo the whole concept of stare decisis.
wyatt_dolores 4y ago
It's not FUD, man. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 Native American Brittney Poolaw was sentenced to 4 years in prison by Oklahoma in Nov 2021 for a miscarriage in a hospital. The court said her meth use constituted manslaughter, not drug addiction. If the mother smokes cigarettes, drinks alcohol, etc and a lawyer can show a reasonable expectation that this can harm a fetus and the mother can be reasonably expected to understand this risk and know doing so could harm her fetus, she could now be prosecuted for manslaughter in those states.

nobody9999 4y ago

>This ruling opens the door for any miscarriage past a state- specific threshold to be treated as a potential crime The saddest part is that many states didn't wait for this decision to prosecute those who miscarry: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/misc-j06.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/misc-j06.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.popsugar.com/news/can-you-be-charged-with-crime-for-miscarrying-46695250 https://www.popsugar.com/news/can-you-be-charged-with-crime-... https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth-miscarriage-murder-abortion-chelsea-becker-news https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/8/20954980/stillbirth... https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a44552/when-a-miscarriage-becomes-a-crime/ https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a44552/when-a-m...