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IMO there's an awful lot of ignorance about just how dire this situation really is. I see comments saying this sort of thing is fearmongering. It is not. Let me
by jmyeet 4y ago
IMO there's an awful lot of ignorance about just how dire this situation really is. I see comments saying this sort of thing is fearmongering. It is not. Let me explain why.
1. To those who think this simply returns the issue to the states so it's not a big deal, take a piece of paper and write that down with the date on it and put it in a drawer. You can take it out when the GOP controls the White House, the House and the Senate and Federally bans abortion because there's no constitutional protection for it.
2. State laws are incredibly overreaching. Kavanaugh felt it necessary to explicitly call out that states can't ban interstate travel. Why? Because states are clearly trying to do that. And the Court may well change their mind on that later too. I mean they already did after saying under oath that Roe v. Wade and Case were super-precedents and settled law;
3. With psuedo-personhood for a fetus established expect women to be charged with endangering that fetus. This rlready happens. For example: an Alabama woman charged with manslaughter after getting shot and losing her unborn baby [1];
4. Menstrual-trackng apps produce data that can be used in two ways. First, it could be subpoenaed by law enforcement to show that a woman was pregnant and may have had an abortion. Second, this data is sold to third-parties. The government already buys this data, which is currently a legal end-run around getting warrants. If you think that some state government won't do this too, you're out of your mind.
Part of why people are legitimately worried is that this Court is completely psychotic. In the last 2 weeks we've had the Court decide:
- A safe medical procedure is not consitutionally protected (and thus can be outlawed by states) because the word "abortion" isn't explicitly in the Constitution so it's supposedly a states rights issue;
- The State of New York can't deny a concealed carry permit under its previous regime of demonstrating need;
- The Border Tactical Force ("Bortac") can operate in a Constitution-free zone, including limiting Fourth Amendment protections, within 100 miles of any border, which means any coast, any border or any airport. This Constitution-free zone in fact covers two-thirds of the US population.
The very idea of an originalist interpretation of the Constitution is a modern invention from the Nixon era to justify stripped people of their rights. The court is and always has been political. And now the Court is stacked with the politics of the Evangelical Taliban.
Actually, that's not fair. Every Islamic country, including Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran, has more access to abortion that half the US states now do or soon will.
[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48789836 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48789836
- fabian2k 4y agoI think the possible federal ban on abortion is something that is not taken into account enough right now. The odds that Republicans will have the relevant majorities in 2024 are pretty high. The inflation and the consequences from the Ukraine war are not Biden's fault, but voters usually punish the current administration for everything that goes wrong.
- tekknik 4y ago
- fabian2k 4y agoJust like they had no interest in overturning Roe v. Wade? Strategically it's of course a bad idea to do this, but Republicans might not have much of a choice. They have cultivated abortion as a key issue, it is more useful to them as a bogeyman, but if they have the power I don't see how they would not ban it federally as well.
- tekknik 4y agoWho said they had no interest in overturning Row v. Wade? It was very clear they wanted it overturned from the beginning.
- jmyeet 4y agoI can't tell if you actually think this or you're just lying but they're already doing this [1]: > Former Vice President Mike Pence said Friday that social conservatives in the post-Roe era “must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.” and > Republicans have introduced bills to recognize a right to life from the moment of fertilization, legislation that would prohibit abortion nationwide. [1]: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-24/supreme-court-abortion-decision-political-fallout https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-24/supreme-co...
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