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Please explain. I really cant see how that might be the case.

by inexcf 4y ago

Jabbles 4y ago
Consider cutting the US into pieces whilst maintaining the overall mass-shooting rate. As it decreases in size the average time-between-mass-shootings will increase. As you continue to decrease the size, that time will increase above a year and you'll start getting zero mass-shooting deaths per year. Continue decreasing the size futher and you'll get >3 years with zero mass shootings, at which point these microcosms of the US will have a median of zero, and will be indistinguishable from the European countries in the table. Note that this is true even though each mini-US continues to have the same per-capita shooting death rate. But that's absurd, since each of those mini-US countries has the same problem as the whole US. Picking the median has just hidden the data. I suggested 4 alternative ways to express this.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  It's the exact opposite. Measuring smaller regions can lead to an increase of the median. For example Norway only had one mass shooting in the past 10 years, while there have been 25 major mass shootings in the US in the same time span, in 2022 alone there have been 22 mass shootings in USA[1], but only 3 in the entire Europe - 746 million people -, including one in Russia and one in Ukraine, and only 1 (one) in EU[2] (so basically in US it's 22x more likely for a mass shooting to happen compared to Ukraine, Russia and the whole EU, at least in 2022, until now) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2022_mass_shootings_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2022_mass_shootings_i... But, being Norway so small (there are 5 million people there) if we count the median for Norway only it goes up to 1.888 deaths/million over the 10 years, even though it's been a single event, perpetrated basically by a nazi terrorist, it's not a systemic problem like in the US, where normal regular people buy a shotgun and start shooting at everybody, including kids at school. Remember: we are counting incidents that kill people, so having consecutive years without mass shootings it's something all developed countries should try to achieve, it's not just stats and numbers, it's people lives! In my country that counts 60 million residents (and over 9 million guns), there have been only 3 (three) public mass shootings since 1982! one of which perpetrated by the clan Casalesi (a mob family) in a conflict between Camorra and African criminal gangs, another was the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists and only one by a private citizen, with mental health issues. Spot the differences with US.
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Please explain. I really cant see how that might be the case.

by inexcf 4y ago

Please explain. I really cant see how that might be the case.

Consider cutting the US into pieces whilst maintaining the overall mass-shooting rate. As it decreases in size the average time-between-mass-shootings will increase. As you continue to decrease the size, that time will increase above a year and you'll start getting zero mass-shooting deaths per year. Continue decreasing the size futher and you'll get >3 years with zero mass shootings, at which point these microcosms of the US will have a median of zero, and will be indistinguishable from the European countries in the table. Note that this is true even though each mini-US continues to have the same per-capita shooting death rate. But that's absurd, since each of those mini-US countries has the same problem as the whole US. Picking the median has just hidden the data. I suggested 4 alternative ways to express this.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
It's the exact opposite. Measuring smaller regions can lead to an increase of the median. For example Norway only had one mass shooting in the past 10 years, while there have been 25 major mass shootings in the US in the same time span, in 2022 alone there have been 22 mass shootings in USA[1], but only 3 in the entire Europe - 746 million people -, including one in Russia and one in Ukraine, and only 1 (one) in EU[2] (so basically in US it's 22x more likely for a mass shooting to happen compared to Ukraine, Russia and the whole EU, at least in 2022, until now) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2022_mass_shootings_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2022_mass_shootings_i... But, being Norway so small (there are 5 million people there) if we count the median for Norway only it goes up to 1.888 deaths/million over the 10 years, even though it's been a single event, perpetrated basically by a nazi terrorist, it's not a systemic problem like in the US, where normal regular people buy a shotgun and start shooting at everybody, including kids at school. Remember: we are counting incidents that kill people, so having consecutive years without mass shootings it's something all developed countries should try to achieve, it's not just stats and numbers, it's people lives! In my country that counts 60 million residents (and over 9 million guns), there have been only 3 (three) public mass shootings since 1982! one of which perpetrated by the clan Casalesi (a mob family) in a conflict between Camorra and African criminal gangs, another was the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists and only one by a private citizen, with mental health issues. Spot the differences with US.
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