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what is living well? Why are these lists always so skewed toward such a normative view of liveability? Zürich is a beautiful and well-organized city, for examp
by camillomiller 4y ago
what is living well? Why are these lists always so skewed toward such a normative view of liveability?
Zürich is a beautiful and well-organized city, for example, but every single time I've been there I've found out that its quiet translates into a boringness I've seldom experienced anywhere else. For me, a man in his late thirties who has no plans to have kids and form a normative family, it's a living nightmare.
- thecopy 4y agoZurich is interesting since on the outside and to a lot of people it seems to be a very boring city indeed. However, in my experience, under the surface there are a lof of cool things happening in Zürich. As well, don't forget that there it has a huge airport with connections to the entire world (only 10 minutes away with S-Bahn btw) and 2 hours train-ride to world-class skiing.
- creativenolo 4y agoYou should be able to have fun anywhere. But seriously, should they be skewed more single 30s guys with no commitments? Should they be skewed towards the things that benefit the majority of people who are not single 30s guys. Saying this as a former 'single guy in his 30s' myself.
- pmkiwi 4y agocreativenolo: former child :)
- DrRobinson 4y agoHe didn't say he was single. One can be a man in his 30s without kids and still not be single, not everyone want to have kids.
- creativenolo 4y agoYour are right - sorry.
- camillomiller 4y agoIndeed, I am not. I live in Berlin, by the way, and I’m not into parties and techno. Despite all its flaws Berlin has a multicultural and less white washed vibe, for example, than Frankfurt. And talking about catering to a specific type, Frankfurt and Zürich are way more catered toward a very normative idea of family and individuals A city like Berlin by these standards is deemed less liveable, but some of its flaws is what makes it way more humanly liveable. Also, Berlin has so many areas that are completely different from one another that here you can find the millionaire tech startupper with a villa at Wannsee eating out at Hasir in Kreuzberg next to deadbeat students. That’s more my idea of psychologically livable. But yeah, if you’re into skiing, banking, and fancy wines I guess Zürich’s fine.
- leto_ii 4y agoI think parent's point is pertinent. The ranking is reductive, but purports to be objective and all-encompassing. Personally I also find very well organized, well functioning Western European cities quite boring. I would take Athens over Frankfurt any day - but of course the 'objective' index says I would be wrong to do so.
- prvit 4y agoIt’s difficult to figure out who this is really for. It’s clearly skewed towards lower income folks, who are decidedly not the people who read The Economist. The Patek Philippe-wearing jet set, towards whom most of the advertising on The Economist is aimed at, is going to have very different ideas of livability.
- andsoitis 4y agoA great, sophisticated city can cater to a large range of lifestyles. Whether you’re into art, sort, outdoors, movies, dining, reading, etc. Whether you’re a teen, in your thirties, or in your eighties. If you’re city doesn’t cater for this range, it simply isn’t a great city, but rather a playground for a particular type.
- goodpoint 4y agoIt's really weird that people publish rankings without any slider to set the viewer's preferences.
- refurb 4y agoTake a step back and think “why would the economist publish such an analysis that is clearly subjective”? The answer is the analysis gets tons of press, people get worked up over the rankings, share the link, more eyeballs, more arguments, more eyeballs —> more ad revenue. It’s the same reason starts up do blog posts of analyses, it’s free PR. Pretty clearly it works based on the HN discussion alone.
- intellectronica 4y agoIt's a list of liveable cities, not partyable cities ;)