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This is the n'th tech company today that's made an announcement similar to this. Even Disney is going to transport workers to abortion-legal states as needed a

This is the n'th tech company today that's made an announcement similar to this. Even Disney is going to transport workers to abortion-legal states as needed as "health benefit". It's certainly a perk and good on Google for this one, but we're headed to a dark place if your best shot at human rights is to retain employment by a big tech company.

imdan 4y ago
We're headed to a dark place.
- rybosome 4y ago
  It’s happening. I think it’s going to get way worse than most people believe.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - bogota 4y ago
    Yep. They have already started talking about reversing marriage rights and contraception as well. It’s funny that an unelected body is now going to destroy the US and revert things that are clearly the majority opinion of the population. Im glad I have dual citizenship because It does feel like the next 4 years is going to be a very sharp downturn (socially) in the US.
    - lamontcg 4y ago
      Probably kiss the Affordable Care Act goodbye and head back to the dark ages of losing your insurance and having a preexisting condition means that you get denied treatment. People keep focusing on what this all means to minorities, but if you're just an old white male and sick they'll let you die, too. Cue the old Niemoller poem.
    - blindmute 4y ago
      If it's the majority opinion it should have no problem being passed in federal or state legislature
      - rsynnott 4y ago
        It would need to go through the house of reps, senate and president. The senate in particular is not representative of the majority.
        blindmute 4y ago
        Hmmm, if it wouldn't pass the Senate then I guess a lot of states' constituents don't want this. Sounds like it's better left to a state by state basis.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      Congress should reflect the majority opinion of the population. The maddening thing about this is these issues are all correctable by law, but most people (rightly, I think) don't believe the body with an 18% approval rating will successfully pass those laws.
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alfor 4y ago
- tommica 4y ago
  1) probably since people started carryind them inside themselves, they've had that right towards themselves 2) does it matter? 3) does it matter? 4) does that matter?
  - alfor 4y ago
    Yes it does, it’s a terrible thing to do. We close our eyes, we don’t see it’s there, we pretend it doesn’t matter, we call it clump of cells, we call advocates ’pro choice’. Let’s face it, it’s the killing of a human, that have no voice, no choice in the matter.
    - trash_goblin 4y ago
    - dlss 4y ago
      https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-bruce-effect-why-some-pregnant-monkeys-abort-when-new-males-arrive https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-bruce-effe... If animals do it in nature, and humans do it with dangerous methods when denied access to safe methods, it's going to be with us until the end of time, regardless of law. Let's face it, this is just another drug war. An opportunity for Republicans to deny Americans personal autonomy and liberty. A justification for state aggression against your neighbors and friends. Wake up.
      - pseudo0 4y ago
        Monkeys also engage in cannibalism, sometimes even of their own dead young, and lions regularly commit infanticide. Appeals to nature are not compelling in the slightest when it comes to morality.
silisili 4y ago
One side of me applauds companies who truly do things they believe are right. The jaded side of me wonders if some amount of companies figured it'd be cheaper to pay for an abortion than maternity leave and health insurance.
- karmakurtisaani 4y ago
  That might be overly jaded. I think an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy is a loss for everyone involved, so it's a bit of a no-brainer for companies to offer this relocation.
  - silisili 4y ago
    I want to agree with you, and hope you're correct...but remember the job of actuaries and how they've worked in the past which is honestly rather depressing. Specifically, Ford realizing it was cheaper to pay for crash lawsuits than making everyone's car safer in the days of rear end gas tanks.
- mattalex 4y ago
  I think that's a little too jaded. Much more likely they do this now for brownie points and quietly kill the program as soon as nobody's looking. You also have to keep in mind that the cost of onboarding a new developer is orders of magnitude more expensive than allowing a developer to relocate out of state or pay for a temporary trip there.
- BrandoElFollito 4y ago
  I do not understand this comment (I am French, this may be a cultural/political thing) Duo you mean that women who undergo abortion wild not do that if they had access to healthcare and maternity leave? We have access to both and still have abortions. About 220k per year, which is about 30% of all pregnancies. Either we have a dumb population that did not know what contraception is (we have sex ed all the time), or there are deeper reasons for this action which is never fun for a woman.
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emerged 4y ago
stonewareslord 4y ago
> we're headed to a dark place if your best shot at human rights is to retain employment by a big tech company But we're already here. We are in that dark place now. It's reality that if you work for big tech you get a perk this perk, and if not, you don't. Edit: point being that we aren't heading to a bad place. Maybe we are heading to a worse place, but this has put a ton of people in a very bad place already.
irrational 4y ago
I guess this could be one way Amazon could help solve its staffing woes. A perk of working at their warehouses is a free abortion.
- jabbany 4y ago
  Given the recent news about them running out of people to hire... I wouldn't be so sure. The cynical view is it might be better for them to keep up the supply of low skilled labor...

imdan 4y ago

We're headed to a dark place.

rybosome 4y ago
It’s happening. I think it’s going to get way worse than most people believe.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- bogota 4y ago
  Yep. They have already started talking about reversing marriage rights and contraception as well. It’s funny that an unelected body is now going to destroy the US and revert things that are clearly the majority opinion of the population. Im glad I have dual citizenship because It does feel like the next 4 years is going to be a very sharp downturn (socially) in the US.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    Probably kiss the Affordable Care Act goodbye and head back to the dark ages of losing your insurance and having a preexisting condition means that you get denied treatment. People keep focusing on what this all means to minorities, but if you're just an old white male and sick they'll let you die, too. Cue the old Niemoller poem.
  - blindmute 4y ago
    If it's the majority opinion it should have no problem being passed in federal or state legislature
    - rsynnott 4y ago
      It would need to go through the house of reps, senate and president. The senate in particular is not representative of the majority.
      - blindmute 4y ago
        Hmmm, if it wouldn't pass the Senate then I guess a lot of states' constituents don't want this. Sounds like it's better left to a state by state basis.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    Congress should reflect the majority opinion of the population. The maddening thing about this is these issues are all correctable by law, but most people (rightly, I think) don't believe the body with an 18% approval rating will successfully pass those laws.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]

alfor 4y ago

tommica 4y ago
1) probably since people started carryind them inside themselves, they've had that right towards themselves 2) does it matter? 3) does it matter? 4) does that matter?
- alfor 4y ago
  Yes it does, it’s a terrible thing to do. We close our eyes, we don’t see it’s there, we pretend it doesn’t matter, we call it clump of cells, we call advocates ’pro choice’. Let’s face it, it’s the killing of a human, that have no voice, no choice in the matter.
  - trash_goblin 4y ago
  - dlss 4y ago
    https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-bruce-effect-why-some-pregnant-monkeys-abort-when-new-males-arrive https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-bruce-effe... If animals do it in nature, and humans do it with dangerous methods when denied access to safe methods, it's going to be with us until the end of time, regardless of law. Let's face it, this is just another drug war. An opportunity for Republicans to deny Americans personal autonomy and liberty. A justification for state aggression against your neighbors and friends. Wake up.
    - pseudo0 4y ago
      Monkeys also engage in cannibalism, sometimes even of their own dead young, and lions regularly commit infanticide. Appeals to nature are not compelling in the slightest when it comes to morality.

silisili 4y ago

One side of me applauds companies who truly do things they believe are right. The jaded side of me wonders if some amount of companies figured it'd be cheaper to pay for an abortion than maternity leave and health insurance.

karmakurtisaani 4y ago
That might be overly jaded. I think an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy is a loss for everyone involved, so it's a bit of a no-brainer for companies to offer this relocation.
- silisili 4y ago
  I want to agree with you, and hope you're correct...but remember the job of actuaries and how they've worked in the past which is honestly rather depressing. Specifically, Ford realizing it was cheaper to pay for crash lawsuits than making everyone's car safer in the days of rear end gas tanks.
mattalex 4y ago
I think that's a little too jaded. Much more likely they do this now for brownie points and quietly kill the program as soon as nobody's looking. You also have to keep in mind that the cost of onboarding a new developer is orders of magnitude more expensive than allowing a developer to relocate out of state or pay for a temporary trip there.
BrandoElFollito 4y ago
I do not understand this comment (I am French, this may be a cultural/political thing) Duo you mean that women who undergo abortion wild not do that if they had access to healthcare and maternity leave? We have access to both and still have abortions. About 220k per year, which is about 30% of all pregnancies. Either we have a dumb population that did not know what contraception is (we have sex ed all the time), or there are deeper reasons for this action which is never fun for a woman.
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emerged 4y ago

stonewareslord 4y ago

> we're headed to a dark place if your best shot at human rights is to retain employment by a big tech company But we're already here. We are in that dark place now. It's reality that if you work for big tech you get a perk this perk, and if not, you don't. Edit: point being that we aren't heading to a bad place. Maybe we are heading to a worse place, but this has put a ton of people in a very bad place already.

irrational 4y ago

I guess this could be one way Amazon could help solve its staffing woes. A perk of working at their warehouses is a free abortion.

jabbany 4y ago
Given the recent news about them running out of people to hire... I wouldn't be so sure. The cynical view is it might be better for them to keep up the supply of low skilled labor...