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It's not about making it illegal, it's that IVF typically results in more fertilized embryos than are kept. So like you said, the pro-life folks would force ev
by diob 4y ago
It's not about making it illegal, it's that IVF typically results in more fertilized embryos than are kept.
So like you said, the pro-life folks would force every single one to be kept.
- imgabe 4y agoDo you have an example of any pro-life lawmaker, pundit, anyone demanding that all embryos from IVF be kept?
- kibwen 4y agoThis is a natural result of placing the cutoff at conception.
- imgabe 4y agoNo, it's not the natural result of anything. Like I said above, laws are very specifically worded in what they allow and prohibit. They are written by and for human beings. They are not computer programs which mindlessly execute every possible logical consequence.
- gadflyinyoureye 4y agoYes, Ben Shapiro. IVF is slippy slope. Don't make any more embryos than you will implant and carry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cETGY6U9wfQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cETGY6U9wfQ
- belltaco 4y agoYes. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-politics-of-the-embryo/#:~:text=On%20the%20federal%20level%2C%20Senator,and%20such%20groups%20as%20the https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-politics-of-the...
- diob 4y agoThis person is in no way interested in facts, they'll move the goalposts again after it becomes widespread practice.
- imgabe 4y agoI seem to be the only one interested in facts rather than hysterical speculation. The facts are nobody can produce a law or proposed law banning contraception or IVF or requiring every embryo to be used. What's been produced so far is an article from 2005 (above) about a handful of extreme conservative groups, which has clearly gone nowhere in the past 17 years and a video of Ben Shapiro, whose only job is to say provocative bullshit.
- diob 4y agoOkay, I will make a note to reply to you again when these things come to pass. At some point, you have to admit that the "hysterical speculation" is really just foresight given current events. Will you admit it then? I honestly am happy waiting to reply till then.
- imgabe 4y agoIt seems like you want these things to happen so you can gloat and say "I told you so" If instead you were interested in the opposite result - making women's reproductive rights explicitly legal - what you would need to do in a democracy is convince enough people to vote for the laws you want. To do that you need to understand what the people you disagree with are actually saying and what the actual words are in the laws that you don't like. Not speculation about what you imagine the logical conclusion of their reasoning is, not what you read in a headline or a tweet about what the law says (those are often misleading and sometimes outright lies), but the real words that are in the law. From that point you can attempt to address the real arguments that the people you disagree with are really making. Addressing fake arguments that you imagined they made does not convince anyone.
- diob 4y ago
- Auracle 4y agoTechnically you can donate the unused embryos, though I don’t know how that would work legally. I suspect most states will end up having pretty level headed laws once this all shakes out in 5 years or so with a few outliers on both sides.
- ModernMech 4y agoQuestion is: how many women die preventable deaths in the meantime? Will she be your mom? Your girlfriend? Your sister? You?