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I hope that the engineers working on this stop. Ethics in tech are uncommon but goodness we could use some more.

AlexandrB 4y ago
There are pro-life engineers out there. Moreover, this appeal to morality hasn't worked for any other tech issue out there.
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- chillingeffect 4y ago
  > pro-life The more accurate correct term is anti-choice.
  - kibwen 4y ago
    That's still too broad, the more accurate term would be pro-state-coerced-birth. Less punchy, I admit.
    - KMag 4y ago
      You don't have to agree with their axioms to understand how a small number of simple axioms lead to their beliefs, right? The hard truth that few people talk about is that very few people believe in banning early abortions of unviable fetuses or in cases of rape, very few people believe in allowing elective abortions of viable fetuses in the 40th week, and it's hard to find an objective scientific line in the middle ground. It's a problem requiring a very nuanced compromise in a society that has a very hard time with nuance, and as a result, is having a harder and harder time with compromise.
      - kibwen 4y ago
        You don't need an objective scientific line; any sort policy being codified into law (in any context, not just abortion) will be subject to interpetation, exceptions, and context. Instead, you just need a reasonable compromise. And as far as reasonable compromises go, we had a quite good one until hours ago, when states began stripping our rights away. It is possible to be against abortion for oneself while also supporting the rights of other people to make that decision themselves. Abortion is not a recreational drug that people take just to have a good time, it's a harrowing medical procedure that is unfortunately necessary.
        KMag 4y ago
        I agree with you there. It's just the snarky tone of your higher up post seemed to indicate an over-simplified view of the anti-choice stance. I disagree with them, but they aren't necessarily stupid or insincere.
  - jleyank 4y ago
    True, as they are often comfortable with capital punishment, seem ok with war and don’t give a sh*t about fetuses once they’re born.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    Pro Forced birth has become my go to descriptor.
stjohnswarts 4y ago
This is definitely in the vicinity of The Handmaid's Tale ballpark of registering women for observation and tracking.
kaba0 4y ago
Or everyone should just call it, spam that unethical evil bullshit to hell.
jmknoll 4y ago
I hope so too, but hope isn't a sustainable solution. Even if the engineers building this quit in protest, how hard is it to find someone to put a web interface in front of a mySQL database?. We need to encode privacy rights in law, and build systems which hold elected officials accountable for the results of their work.

There are pro-life engineers out there. Moreover, this appeal to morality hasn't worked for any other tech issue out there.

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chillingeffect 4y ago
> pro-life The more accurate correct term is anti-choice.
- kibwen 4y ago
  That's still too broad, the more accurate term would be pro-state-coerced-birth. Less punchy, I admit.
  - KMag 4y ago
    You don't have to agree with their axioms to understand how a small number of simple axioms lead to their beliefs, right? The hard truth that few people talk about is that very few people believe in banning early abortions of unviable fetuses or in cases of rape, very few people believe in allowing elective abortions of viable fetuses in the 40th week, and it's hard to find an objective scientific line in the middle ground. It's a problem requiring a very nuanced compromise in a society that has a very hard time with nuance, and as a result, is having a harder and harder time with compromise.
    - kibwen 4y ago
      You don't need an objective scientific line; any sort policy being codified into law (in any context, not just abortion) will be subject to interpetation, exceptions, and context. Instead, you just need a reasonable compromise. And as far as reasonable compromises go, we had a quite good one until hours ago, when states began stripping our rights away. It is possible to be against abortion for oneself while also supporting the rights of other people to make that decision themselves. Abortion is not a recreational drug that people take just to have a good time, it's a harrowing medical procedure that is unfortunately necessary.
      - KMag 4y ago
        I agree with you there. It's just the snarky tone of your higher up post seemed to indicate an over-simplified view of the anti-choice stance. I disagree with them, but they aren't necessarily stupid or insincere.
- jleyank 4y ago
  True, as they are often comfortable with capital punishment, seem ok with war and don’t give a sh*t about fetuses once they’re born.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Pro Forced birth has become my go to descriptor.

stjohnswarts 4y ago

This is definitely in the vicinity of The Handmaid's Tale ballpark of registering women for observation and tracking.

kaba0 4y ago

Or everyone should just call it, spam that unethical evil bullshit to hell.

jmknoll 4y ago

I hope so too, but hope isn't a sustainable solution. Even if the engineers building this quit in protest, how hard is it to find someone to put a web interface in front of a mySQL database?. We need to encode privacy rights in law, and build systems which hold elected officials accountable for the results of their work.