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I’d agree with you only if it was law that hospitals must turn you away if you are unvaccinated but deathly ill with COVID. That would be a horrible thing, howe
by fsociety 4y ago
I’d agree with you only if it was law that hospitals must turn you away if you are unvaccinated but deathly ill with COVID. That would be a horrible thing, however the difference here is that not being vaccinated does affect other people in a pandemic. Getting an abortion does not overload hospitals in the same way.
- edmcnulty101 4y agoI had no bodily autonomy during COVID. I have less than zero sympathy.
- JabavuAdams 4y agoNo one is an island. You can't have total bodily autonomy if you want to live around other humans. It's an unreasonable and selfish stance. If you want to self-isolate in the woods, fine. We should have a way for people to do that. There are a number of technical reasons why the mRNA vaccines should be safer than existing vaccines. In any case, there were non mRNA alternatives. I believe that most life-scientists are just curious and trying to do good work. I don't really trust corporate big (whatever), but pharma in this case. I do trust the individual scientists I know to be caring and empathetic people and to do their best to save lives.
- edmcnulty101 4y ago> No one is an island. You can't have total bodily autonomy if you want to live around other humans This is the exact argument the conservatives have against abortion.
- anigbrowl 4y agoThat doesn't sell your outlook well, since neither pregnancies nor abortions are contagious.
- edmcnulty101 4y agoContagious things that kill people = no bodily autonomy Non-Contagious Things that that kill people = bodily autonomy. Sounds arbitrary. My body my choice right?
- anigbrowl 4y agoNo, it doesn't sound arbitrary. It sounds predicated on the possibility for contagion, an objectively measurable event. This is why various tests/vaccinations mandatory for immigrants, eg to prevent the spread of TB. Also, fetuses aren't people in legal terms.
- belorn 4y agoAccording to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, an embryo or fetus in utero is recognized as a legal victim. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb." The bill has however an explicit exception for abortions, saying that regardless if a fetuses are a person, it doesn't mean abortions should be illegal.
- edmcnulty101 4y agolots of things are contagious though fetuses aren't citizens but they are considered people... in some states.
- LocalH 4y agoDoesn't sound arbitrary to me. If something isn't contagious then there's no "automatic" effect on those around a person. If it is contagious, then the mere presence of the person can have a harmful effect. It only seems arbitrary to me if I look at it from a narcissistic perspective.
- edmcnulty101 4y agoOr from a rational perspective. Killing a baby is an effect on someone around(technically inside) a person. So while it's not contagious, the effect of killing someone is the same. And therefore no bodily autonomy should be allowed in this case. It's the exact same logic used for covid restrictions. You don't have bodily autonomy in cases where you can hurt others.
- tehwebguy 4y agoThat’s weird, I had bodily autonomy during COVID.
- edmcnulty101 4y ago
- mcherm 4y agoWhat law? I mean, specifically there has been no national law mandating Covid vaccine use. There were some restrictions applied differently to vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
- edmcnulty101 4y ago1. Forcing you to wear a mask? 2. https://law.stanford.edu/2022/01/20/a-look-at-the-supreme-court-ruling-on-vaccination-mandates/#:~:text=The%20Supreme%20Court%20on%20Thursday,a%20week%20for%20the%20coronavirus https://law.stanford.edu/2022/01/20/a-look-at-the-supreme-co....
- hattar 4y agoIt’s been going on longer than that. I’ve been forced to wear pants in the library for YEARS.
- belorn 4y agoYou are joking but laws dictating appropriate clothes is an infringement of bodily autonomy, and the definition of appropriate clothes was a hot topic concerning religious attires just a few years ago. A human right for bodily autonomy would include the right to decide what and what not to wear on their own bodies.
- edmcnulty101 4y agoRight. and women are forced to wear burkas in some countries. it's a slippery slope and out of scope of what government should be regulating if one views bodily autonomy as important.
- sanp 4y agoBullshit. You not getting vaccinated puts people around you at risk. A women getting an abortion at worst impacts her and in most cases impact her positively.
- edmcnulty101 4y agoThere's also the argument that abortion puts the child at risk.