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> Yeah, direct democracy, computers make it work. I feel like you made zero effort to understand the point I tried to make. Founding fathers may have been fro

> Yeah, direct democracy, computers make it work. I feel like you made zero effort to understand the point I tried to make. Founding fathers may have been from a different time, but they absolutely weren't wrong about democracy not being a solution. They studied numerous constitutions written during the antiquities and correctly concluded that for a large geographical nation like the US, democracy cannot work. That part does not change just because we have super fast communication lines and computers today.

bluesnowmonkey 4y ago
They absolutely did not consider the “large geographical nation” that the US has become, because it did not exist as such at that time. They had 2.5M people, we now have 330M. We’ve scaled 100x. It shouldn’t be surprising that we need to rethink the initial architectural decisions. Think about it this way. They got to study their antiquities and learn from those lessons right? It would have been really weird if they had said, “Look, wise men already studied this stuff and figured out the right way,” and they’re talking about ideas from the year 1500, as if there was nothing to learn from the preceding 250 years. They didn’t do that. Why should we?
- splintercell 4y ago
  > They absolutely did not consider the “large geographical nation” that the US has become, because it did not exist as such at that time. You are making the same mistake as in the earlier part. US was already pretty big at the time of US constitutional debates to make direct democracy not possible. > They didn’t do that. Why should we? You're more than welcome to do that, but understand something, all the past constitutions/republics/democracies is data, which cannot be easily replicated and controlled for. You're going to come up with a new political system which ignores literally every negative lesson of the history of past 3000 years then you will need to explain how are those concerns not necessary. Founding fathers were, really really really worried about things devolving into a military dictatorship and violation of individual rights. There are plenty of reasons to criticize them for not caring enough about the individual rights, but none that their concerns were unwarranted. Just to give you an idea of the concerns we need to care about: - Build a system which is democratic in nature and works for a large country like ours. - Make sure that it prevents the democracy from violating individual rights. - Make sure that it does not become a dictatorship (like how Roman Republic ended and became a dictatorship when Julius Caesar declared himself the permanent dictator).

bluesnowmonkey 4y ago

They absolutely did not consider the “large geographical nation” that the US has become, because it did not exist as such at that time. They had 2.5M people, we now have 330M. We’ve scaled 100x. It shouldn’t be surprising that we need to rethink the initial architectural decisions. Think about it this way. They got to study their antiquities and learn from those lessons right? It would have been really weird if they had said, “Look, wise men already studied this stuff and figured out the right way,” and they’re talking about ideas from the year 1500, as if there was nothing to learn from the preceding 250 years. They didn’t do that. Why should we?

splintercell 4y ago
> They absolutely did not consider the “large geographical nation” that the US has become, because it did not exist as such at that time. You are making the same mistake as in the earlier part. US was already pretty big at the time of US constitutional debates to make direct democracy not possible. > They didn’t do that. Why should we? You're more than welcome to do that, but understand something, all the past constitutions/republics/democracies is data, which cannot be easily replicated and controlled for. You're going to come up with a new political system which ignores literally every negative lesson of the history of past 3000 years then you will need to explain how are those concerns not necessary. Founding fathers were, really really really worried about things devolving into a military dictatorship and violation of individual rights. There are plenty of reasons to criticize them for not caring enough about the individual rights, but none that their concerns were unwarranted. Just to give you an idea of the concerns we need to care about: - Build a system which is democratic in nature and works for a large country like ours. - Make sure that it prevents the democracy from violating individual rights. - Make sure that it does not become a dictatorship (like how Roman Republic ended and became a dictatorship when Julius Caesar declared himself the permanent dictator).