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The Catholic Church opposes the use of condoms[1]. Even in areas of the world where AIDS is rampant. They are not sex-positive, they are procreation-positive.

The Catholic Church opposes the use of condoms[1]. Even in areas of the world where AIDS is rampant. They are not sex-positive, they are procreation-positive. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS Edit: I suppose the Catholic Church is sex-positive when it comes to their clergy and underage parishioners. Disclaimer: I went to Catholic school for 11 years.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Catholics oppose the use of condoms Not really. Catholic doctrine might, American Catholics, especially, do not: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2016/09/28/poll-finds-many-us-catholics-breaking-church-over-contraception-abortion-and-lgbt https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2016/09/28/poll-finds-... > Even in areas of the world where AIDS is rampant. https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-contraceptives/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-cont... (Benedict XVI made somewhat similar comments in 2010 regarding AIDS in Africa.)
- philsnow 4y ago
  > Catholic doctrine might, American Catholics, especially, do not This is unfortunately true (but unsurprisingly so, especially these days). That doesn't mean that they're somehow right; they don't speak for the Church.
philsnow 4y ago
> The Catholic Church opposes the use of condoms[1]. Even in areas of the world where AIDS is rampant. Correct. > They are not sex-positive, they are procreation-positive. They are both. "Sex-positive" doesn't mean "anything goes". > I suppose the Catholic Church is sex-positive when it comes to their clergy and underage parishioners. No, the Church is harshly critical of this kind of thing. The fact that individual offenders have been shuffled around for decades is to our shame and to the shame of their bishops, but nonetheless the Church is not "for" this kind of thing in any way. > I went to Catholic school for 11 years. At least in America, I'd say the majority of Catholic schools are only nominally Catholic.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  > No, the Church is harshly critical of this kind of thing. The fact that individual offenders have been shuffled around for decades is to our shame and to the shame of their bishops, but nonetheless the Church is not "for" this kind of thing in any way. I prefer to judge the church on its actions, not on its words. The bishops/cardinals in question got lofty appointments as their "punishment"[1]. [1] https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-churchs-grim-history-of-ignoring-priestly-pedophilia-and-silencing-would-be-whistleblowers-102387 https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-churchs-grim-histor... > Cardinal Law was neither indicted nor arrested. Instead, Pope John Paul II transferred Law to run one of the Vatican’s most cherished properties, the Basilica of Saint Mary, essentially rewarding Law for his deft cover-up of the abuses in Boston.
- hackyhacky 4y ago
  The Church is not a democracy. The opposition to condoms at the top is has serious consequences the world over, regardless of what Americans feel. If their stated policy is causing needless deaths, what is the value of the policy, and what is the value of the institution promoting such a policy?

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Catholics oppose the use of condoms Not really. Catholic doctrine might, American Catholics, especially, do not: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2016/09/28/poll-finds-many-us-catholics-breaking-church-over-contraception-abortion-and-lgbt https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2016/09/28/poll-finds-... > Even in areas of the world where AIDS is rampant. https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-contraceptives/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/health/zika-pope-francis-cont... (Benedict XVI made somewhat similar comments in 2010 regarding AIDS in Africa.)

philsnow 4y ago
> Catholic doctrine might, American Catholics, especially, do not This is unfortunately true (but unsurprisingly so, especially these days). That doesn't mean that they're somehow right; they don't speak for the Church.

philsnow 4y ago

> The Catholic Church opposes the use of condoms[1]. Even in areas of the world where AIDS is rampant. Correct. > They are not sex-positive, they are procreation-positive. They are both. "Sex-positive" doesn't mean "anything goes". > I suppose the Catholic Church is sex-positive when it comes to their clergy and underage parishioners. No, the Church is harshly critical of this kind of thing. The fact that individual offenders have been shuffled around for decades is to our shame and to the shame of their bishops, but nonetheless the Church is not "for" this kind of thing in any way. > I went to Catholic school for 11 years. At least in America, I'd say the majority of Catholic schools are only nominally Catholic.

AlexandrB 4y ago
> No, the Church is harshly critical of this kind of thing. The fact that individual offenders have been shuffled around for decades is to our shame and to the shame of their bishops, but nonetheless the Church is not "for" this kind of thing in any way. I prefer to judge the church on its actions, not on its words. The bishops/cardinals in question got lofty appointments as their "punishment"[1]. [1] https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-churchs-grim-history-of-ignoring-priestly-pedophilia-and-silencing-would-be-whistleblowers-102387 https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-churchs-grim-histor... > Cardinal Law was neither indicted nor arrested. Instead, Pope John Paul II transferred Law to run one of the Vatican’s most cherished properties, the Basilica of Saint Mary, essentially rewarding Law for his deft cover-up of the abuses in Boston.
hackyhacky 4y ago
The Church is not a democracy. The opposition to condoms at the top is has serious consequences the world over, regardless of what Americans feel. If their stated policy is causing needless deaths, what is the value of the policy, and what is the value of the institution promoting such a policy?