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Is it? > He emphasized a line the majority opinion that said "[n]othing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern ab

Is it? > He emphasized a line the majority opinion that said "[n]othing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion." "We have also explained why that is so: rights regarding contraception and same-sex relationships are inherently different from the right to abortion because the latter (as we have stressed) uniquely involves what Roe and Casey termed 'potential life,'" Alito said.

f38zf5vdt 4y ago
Alito is one Justice -- Thomas stated that "In future cases, we should reconsider all of this court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell."
- endisneigh 4y ago
  Sure, but Alito plus the others means it’ll never pass.
  - jakelazaroff 4y ago
    Many of the others called Roe v. Wade "settled law" in sworn statements. That didn't stop them from voting to overturn it today.
    - endisneigh 4y ago
      Sure, but no state to my knowledge has banned all contraceptives, even though they already could so even in the hypothetical states would make them legal.
coward123 4y ago
um... why do you think these conservative judges were named to the court? They know exactly what they are doing and have every intention of ending contraception, sending women's rights back to the dark ages, and screwing over anyone not straight, Christian, and white. That's the job they were nominated to do.
- tjs8rj 4y ago
  You’re laying out the definition of a slippery slope argument. 75% of Americans want restrictions on abortion (beyond just Roe v wade’s shaky constitutional basis). The vast vast majority of Americans are ok with contraceptives, same sex marriage has firm constitutional basis, etc these aren’t going away
  - guelo 4y ago
    What you're saying is that the conservative judges are activists doing what's popular in their movement, not applying any principles.
  - magicalist 4y ago
    > You’re laying out the definition of a slippery slope argument. When Clarence Thomas says "here's the slope I think we should slide down next", we're not in fallacy land anymore. > these aren’t going away Don't worry! They won't go away. It'll just be up to the state governments currently passing laws forcing women to carry rapists' babies to term to decide if you can have sex outside of marriage or not. States rights!
    - nikelous 4y ago
      You nailed it perfectly. Thomas announced the slope.
  - skissane 4y ago
    > The vast vast majority of Americans are ok with contraceptives, same sex marriage has firm constitutional basis, etc these aren’t going away Across-the-board bans on contraception aren't happening, because almost nobody wants such a ban. But overturning Obergefell? I think it is likely. According to 2021 polling data [0], there is still majority opposition to marriage equality in Mississippi (55% oppose) and Arkansas (52% oppose). It looks like the state government trying to overturn it would be a vote-winner in those two states – especially considering that people who actually vote often skew older and more conservative than the population in general, so opposition to it in those states may be even stronger among voters. There are other states where support is still quite weak, such as Alabama (49% support, 47% opposition) and South Carolina (50% support), so the same might be true for them as well. It only takes one state to act to get a case before the Supreme Court. [0] https://ava.prri.org/#lgbt/2021/States/lgbt_ssm/2,3,9 https://ava.prri.org/#lgbt/2021/States/lgbt_ssm/2,3,9

f38zf5vdt 4y ago

Alito is one Justice -- Thomas stated that "In future cases, we should reconsider all of this court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell."

endisneigh 4y ago
Sure, but Alito plus the others means it’ll never pass.
- jakelazaroff 4y ago
  Many of the others called Roe v. Wade "settled law" in sworn statements. That didn't stop them from voting to overturn it today.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    Sure, but no state to my knowledge has banned all contraceptives, even though they already could so even in the hypothetical states would make them legal.

coward123 4y ago

um... why do you think these conservative judges were named to the court? They know exactly what they are doing and have every intention of ending contraception, sending women's rights back to the dark ages, and screwing over anyone not straight, Christian, and white. That's the job they were nominated to do.

tjs8rj 4y ago
You’re laying out the definition of a slippery slope argument. 75% of Americans want restrictions on abortion (beyond just Roe v wade’s shaky constitutional basis). The vast vast majority of Americans are ok with contraceptives, same sex marriage has firm constitutional basis, etc these aren’t going away
- guelo 4y ago
  What you're saying is that the conservative judges are activists doing what's popular in their movement, not applying any principles.
- magicalist 4y ago
  > You’re laying out the definition of a slippery slope argument. When Clarence Thomas says "here's the slope I think we should slide down next", we're not in fallacy land anymore. > these aren’t going away Don't worry! They won't go away. It'll just be up to the state governments currently passing laws forcing women to carry rapists' babies to term to decide if you can have sex outside of marriage or not. States rights!
  - nikelous 4y ago
    You nailed it perfectly. Thomas announced the slope.
- skissane 4y ago
  > The vast vast majority of Americans are ok with contraceptives, same sex marriage has firm constitutional basis, etc these aren’t going away Across-the-board bans on contraception aren't happening, because almost nobody wants such a ban. But overturning Obergefell? I think it is likely. According to 2021 polling data [0], there is still majority opposition to marriage equality in Mississippi (55% oppose) and Arkansas (52% oppose). It looks like the state government trying to overturn it would be a vote-winner in those two states – especially considering that people who actually vote often skew older and more conservative than the population in general, so opposition to it in those states may be even stronger among voters. There are other states where support is still quite weak, such as Alabama (49% support, 47% opposition) and South Carolina (50% support), so the same might be true for them as well. It only takes one state to act to get a case before the Supreme Court. [0] https://ava.prri.org/#lgbt/2021/States/lgbt_ssm/2,3,9 https://ava.prri.org/#lgbt/2021/States/lgbt_ssm/2,3,9