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The intention isn’t relevant - sex leading to kids is hardly some unknown fact. Other than rape, in which case agency is removed, why is conception not the poin

The intention isn’t relevant - sex leading to kids is hardly some unknown fact. Other than rape, in which case agency is removed, why is conception not the point in which the choice is made? Is your opinion that anyone can reneg on known consequences of their actions? Don’t misunderstand, women should have a choice in what their bodies are used for. My assertion is, other than rape, they already have it with respect to having a kid or not.

drdaeman 4y ago
I don't agree or disagree with the consequences part, but... > sex leading to kids is hardly some unknown fact Oh, I'd wish. There are people who still - in the 21st century - do not have like basic knowledge about sexual wellness and have very weird (and sometimes very dangerous) ideas about contraception, safety and risks of pregnancy. I mean, it's hard for any educated person to believe in this shit, but I've met or read some pretty insane opinions. Like people who genuinely believe really weird nonsense such as that virgins cannot get pregnant their first time. And they aren't malicious folks (well, maybe some are, of course) - just awfully misinformed. Humanity is in a very weird place. On the one hand we've walked on the Moon and about to conquer nuclear fusion power, but on the other hand we've just climbed down from the trees and learned how to make a fire.
- morelisp 4y ago
  We're only 8 years out from "legitimate rape"! How in the world can anyone think legislators and jurists themselves, let alone young people, are receiving sufficient information about sex and pregnancy?
nomel 4y ago
I think it's often misunderstood at how incredibly hard it is to stop reproduction. For example birth control pills are 99% effective. From the NHS: > When taken correctly, the pill is over 99% effective at preventing pregnancy. This means that fewer than 1 in 100 who use the combined pill as contraception will get pregnant in 1 year. So, if you're in a relationship for 5 years, that's 1 in 20. For my group of people I know, this matches up pretty well.
mindcrime 4y ago
The intention isn’t relevant - sex leading to kids is hardly some unknown fact. That's ridiculous. Many people engage in sex using contraceptives design to prevent pregnancy, but we all know that contraceptives aren't 100% reliable. So the possibility of any given sex act leading to kids is absolutely an "unknown". And that's before getting into the point about how, in many places in the world, knowledge of (or access to) contraceptives is withheld from portions of the population to begin with. For that matter, there are some (mostly very young, I expect) who don't understand the whole "sex leads to kids" thing.
nomel 4y ago
I think it's often misunderstood at how incredibly hard it is to stop reproduction. For example birth control pills are 99% effective. From the NHS: > When taken correctly, the pill is over 99% effective at preventing pregnancy. This means that fewer than 1 in 100 who use the combined pill as contraception will get pregnant in 1 year. So, if you're in a relationship for 5 years, that's 1 in 20. For my group of people I know, this matches up pretty well. I have one friend who has three children. They were all conceived while on birth control.
LodeOfCode 4y ago
>Is your opinion that anyone can renege on known consequences of their actions? That's usually how medical treatment works, yes. We don't tell people who fall off a ladder, slice their finger chopping vegetables, or break a bone playing sports "You knew the risk, you're just gonna have to live with the consequences of your choices"

drdaeman 4y ago

I don't agree or disagree with the consequences part, but... > sex leading to kids is hardly some unknown fact Oh, I'd wish. There are people who still - in the 21st century - do not have like basic knowledge about sexual wellness and have very weird (and sometimes very dangerous) ideas about contraception, safety and risks of pregnancy. I mean, it's hard for any educated person to believe in this shit, but I've met or read some pretty insane opinions. Like people who genuinely believe really weird nonsense such as that virgins cannot get pregnant their first time. And they aren't malicious folks (well, maybe some are, of course) - just awfully misinformed. Humanity is in a very weird place. On the one hand we've walked on the Moon and about to conquer nuclear fusion power, but on the other hand we've just climbed down from the trees and learned how to make a fire.

morelisp 4y ago
We're only 8 years out from "legitimate rape"! How in the world can anyone think legislators and jurists themselves, let alone young people, are receiving sufficient information about sex and pregnancy?

nomel 4y ago

I think it's often misunderstood at how incredibly hard it is to stop reproduction. For example birth control pills are 99% effective. From the NHS: > When taken correctly, the pill is over 99% effective at preventing pregnancy. This means that fewer than 1 in 100 who use the combined pill as contraception will get pregnant in 1 year. So, if you're in a relationship for 5 years, that's 1 in 20. For my group of people I know, this matches up pretty well.

mindcrime 4y ago

The intention isn’t relevant - sex leading to kids is hardly some unknown fact. That's ridiculous. Many people engage in sex using contraceptives design to prevent pregnancy, but we all know that contraceptives aren't 100% reliable. So the possibility of any given sex act leading to kids is absolutely an "unknown". And that's before getting into the point about how, in many places in the world, knowledge of (or access to) contraceptives is withheld from portions of the population to begin with. For that matter, there are some (mostly very young, I expect) who don't understand the whole "sex leads to kids" thing.

nomel 4y ago

LodeOfCode 4y ago

>Is your opinion that anyone can renege on known consequences of their actions? That's usually how medical treatment works, yes. We don't tell people who fall off a ladder, slice their finger chopping vegetables, or break a bone playing sports "You knew the risk, you're just gonna have to live with the consequences of your choices"