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> All laws in place or being contemplated allow for abortive procedures in medical emergencies SB 612[0] in Oklahoma made abortions a felony, punishable by up

> All laws in place or being contemplated allow for abortive procedures in medical emergencies SB 612[0] in Oklahoma made abortions a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. I'm not sure how many doctors will feel comfortable making that call. ...Especially considering HB 4327 then empowers citizens to stage witch hunts against those providers. Imagine developing a reputation for performing abortions in that situation. [0] Which defined a "medical emergency" as "a condition which cannot be remedied by delivery of the child in which an abortion is necessary to preserve the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered" – a high bar to clear. https://legiscan.com/OK/text/SB612/id/2564710 https://legiscan.com/OK/text/SB612/id/2564710

lelandfe 4y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/06/abortion-bans-patient-doctor-medical-advice https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/06/abortion-bans-... Article discussing this chilling effect.
kokanator 4y ago
Do you mean a stringent bar? A bar that is hard to identify? Full text of "emergency": “Medical emergency” means a condition which cannot be remedied by delivery of the child in which an abortion is necessary to preserve the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness or physical injury including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself." This is very clear a covers all possible situations where the pregnant woman's life would be in danger. This is very straight forward. If however, you mean to say it restricts abortions too far, you are arguing a different point.
- lelandfe 4y ago
  I believe you’re underselling how straightforward this is, and you’ve actually already got it a bit wrong: > covers all possible situations where the pregnant woman's life would be in danger The woman’s life being in danger is the second clause. The first is that an abortion is necessary to address it. It is a mighty task to prove that an abortion was necessary, and empowered citizens can frivolously bring lawsuits.
raptor99 4y ago
To me that's the beauty of the United States and the republic that we live in. If Oklahoma has laws and rules that you think are outrageous then move to a different state. On top of even that, if things are just too outrageous here to stand, then move out of the country, like all the media and celebrities that claimed they would move to Canada if and when certain people were elected.
- romellem 4y ago
  “Just move” seems to imply they made a choice to live there in the first place. Often that isn’t true. What is a 17 year born in Oklahoma to do? Telling them to “just move” when they probably have very little money of their own and probably no family support doesn’t seem very empathetic.
  - chkaloon 4y ago
    Interesting. No response.
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  - nmz 4y ago
    It's a rich mans solution to a problem. "Just move", is clearly something they are easily capable of doing, everyone else? not really. you throw 20 years on a mortgage and then the rug is pulled from under you as the state itself gets worse and worse. You could say the same about refugees, Country's gotten into a bad state? just move. Don't fight for anything, just hope that someone somewhere actually took a gander at the problem and arrived at a solution that is conducive to a prosperous society.
- deanCommie 4y ago
  I love that you undid your own point in the second half of the post, and didn't even realize it. People SAY they want to move to Canada, but it turns out that's not actually that simple. Moving is a lot harder than folks realize - Internationally especially, but even amongst states. And it's completely not an option for someone underage.

lelandfe 4y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/06/abortion-bans-patient-doctor-medical-advice https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/06/abortion-bans-... Article discussing this chilling effect.

kokanator 4y ago

Do you mean a stringent bar? A bar that is hard to identify? Full text of "emergency": “Medical emergency” means a condition which cannot be remedied by delivery of the child in which an abortion is necessary to preserve the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness or physical injury including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself." This is very clear a covers all possible situations where the pregnant woman's life would be in danger. This is very straight forward. If however, you mean to say it restricts abortions too far, you are arguing a different point.

lelandfe 4y ago
I believe you’re underselling how straightforward this is, and you’ve actually already got it a bit wrong: > covers all possible situations where the pregnant woman's life would be in danger The woman’s life being in danger is the second clause. The first is that an abortion is necessary to address it. It is a mighty task to prove that an abortion was necessary, and empowered citizens can frivolously bring lawsuits.

raptor99 4y ago

To me that's the beauty of the United States and the republic that we live in. If Oklahoma has laws and rules that you think are outrageous then move to a different state. On top of even that, if things are just too outrageous here to stand, then move out of the country, like all the media and celebrities that claimed they would move to Canada if and when certain people were elected.

romellem 4y ago
“Just move” seems to imply they made a choice to live there in the first place. Often that isn’t true. What is a 17 year born in Oklahoma to do? Telling them to “just move” when they probably have very little money of their own and probably no family support doesn’t seem very empathetic.
- chkaloon 4y ago
  Interesting. No response.
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- nmz 4y ago
  It's a rich mans solution to a problem. "Just move", is clearly something they are easily capable of doing, everyone else? not really. you throw 20 years on a mortgage and then the rug is pulled from under you as the state itself gets worse and worse. You could say the same about refugees, Country's gotten into a bad state? just move. Don't fight for anything, just hope that someone somewhere actually took a gander at the problem and arrived at a solution that is conducive to a prosperous society.
deanCommie 4y ago
I love that you undid your own point in the second half of the post, and didn't even realize it. People SAY they want to move to Canada, but it turns out that's not actually that simple. Moving is a lot harder than folks realize - Internationally especially, but even amongst states. And it's completely not an option for someone underage.