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My view has always been that it does not even matter if the fetus has full rights. People do not have the right to physically attach themselves to another pers

My view has always been that it does not even matter if the fetus has full rights. People do not have the right to physically attach themselves to another person, and leach blood, oxygen, nutrients, etc off the other person. Period. Fetuses would not be an exception. This is not a rights balancing issue. A woman has the complete and absolute right to stop another person from parasitically draining her of resources. I feel that a person who wakes up with another person surgically attached to them by some sort of mad-scientist doctor could have surgery to have the second person removed, even if this means certain death for the second person. I don't view abortion as any different. I could support a ban on abortion methods that directly kill the fetus, but as long as the method is primarily about severing the connection to the mother and removing it from the body, I see nothing wrong with that, even if removal means certain death for the fetus. If people feel fetuses have human rights, I could also support laws or medical ethics requiring doctors to attempt to save the fetus after it is expelled (if the condition was such that saving them might be possible) just like they would try to save any other person.

rich_sasha 4y ago
So suppose some adult decides to subvert your resources. Dun i, moves into your farm and starts collecting your crops. You have a right tk get rid of them, but only up to a point. In most countries for example you can't shoot them for trespass and theft (self defense might be different and US might be different too). You can call the police, have them removed and claim damages. But say the person cannot pay them, you cannot enslave then and force them to fix what they damaged. So in other words, we value the right to life and freedom so much that even when someone is abusing our rights, we can't take justice into our own hands, and have to put up with the damage. In addition, I'd imagine many abortions happen to women in relationships with pregnancies stemming from consentual sex. So I'm not sure if your analogy stretches that far. Other cases are, I agree, more complicated, and I'm not arguing about such circumstances. I guess again it comes down to "fetus rights".

rich_sasha 4y ago

So suppose some adult decides to subvert your resources. Dun i, moves into your farm and starts collecting your crops. You have a right tk get rid of them, but only up to a point. In most countries for example you can't shoot them for trespass and theft (self defense might be different and US might be different too). You can call the police, have them removed and claim damages. But say the person cannot pay them, you cannot enslave then and force them to fix what they damaged. So in other words, we value the right to life and freedom so much that even when someone is abusing our rights, we can't take justice into our own hands, and have to put up with the damage. In addition, I'd imagine many abortions happen to women in relationships with pregnancies stemming from consentual sex. So I'm not sure if your analogy stretches that far. Other cases are, I agree, more complicated, and I'm not arguing about such circumstances. I guess again it comes down to "fetus rights".