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100%. The court took this decision away from human beings. You no longer get to choose when you procreate. At some point, the court says no longer your choice.

caeril 4y ago
> The court took this decision away from human beings. No, the court remanded the lawmaking decision to the states, as it should be. There's this section of the CA-NV border known as "state line", which has a litany of casinos just right on the NV side of that border. The notion that different states have different laws is a fact we've accepted since the founding of our country. When AZ bans abortion, Arizona women will be mildly inconvenienced by a three hour drive to the CA border, as other matters of state law divergence have always been. Nobody has lost their rights. Cynically, I'd suggest that abortion rights aren't even the issue at hand - lots of people seem very angry/afraid that after a century of DC slowly arrogating all available power and authority to itself, that this power might flow back the other way.
- jimkleiber 4y ago
  > No, the court remanded the lawmaking decision to the states, as it should be. I'm ok with this argument, as I believe that legislatures, national and state, should write laws to address these issues, not rely on court precedent. > Cynically, I'd suggest that abortion rights aren't even the issue at hand - lots of people seem very angry/afraid that after a century of DC slowly arrogating all available power and authority to itself, that this power might flow back the other way. I disagree that this is the main reason, because SCOTUS just basically said the NY state law against guns in public was unconstitutional, and Congress is passing a national gun law as we speak. So I find it hard to believe that it's just about state's rights, because it's giving states some rights in one week while also taking away other rights.
- Miner49er 4y ago
  Not everyone owns a car. Plus, that's just AZ women. A woman in Miami will likely have a 14+ hour drive to get an abortion.

caeril 4y ago

> The court took this decision away from human beings. No, the court remanded the lawmaking decision to the states, as it should be. There's this section of the CA-NV border known as "state line", which has a litany of casinos just right on the NV side of that border. The notion that different states have different laws is a fact we've accepted since the founding of our country. When AZ bans abortion, Arizona women will be mildly inconvenienced by a three hour drive to the CA border, as other matters of state law divergence have always been. Nobody has lost their rights. Cynically, I'd suggest that abortion rights aren't even the issue at hand - lots of people seem very angry/afraid that after a century of DC slowly arrogating all available power and authority to itself, that this power might flow back the other way.

jimkleiber 4y ago
> No, the court remanded the lawmaking decision to the states, as it should be. I'm ok with this argument, as I believe that legislatures, national and state, should write laws to address these issues, not rely on court precedent. > Cynically, I'd suggest that abortion rights aren't even the issue at hand - lots of people seem very angry/afraid that after a century of DC slowly arrogating all available power and authority to itself, that this power might flow back the other way. I disagree that this is the main reason, because SCOTUS just basically said the NY state law against guns in public was unconstitutional, and Congress is passing a national gun law as we speak. So I find it hard to believe that it's just about state's rights, because it's giving states some rights in one week while also taking away other rights.
Miner49er 4y ago
Not everyone owns a car. Plus, that's just AZ women. A woman in Miami will likely have a 14+ hour drive to get an abortion.