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It's also not 1970 anymore. There's a prophalactic pill, there's morning after pill, and there's freedom of movement between states. Women are capable of exer

by starkd 4y ago

It's also not 1970 anymore. There's a prophalactic pill, there's morning after pill, and there's freedom of movement between states. Women are capable of exerting self-responsibility over their reproduction, and they are not helpless victims.

tmountain 4y ago
Birth control is next on the chopping block. Justice Thomas already stated that Griswold v. Connecticut should be reconsidered.
- starkd 4y ago
  Wrong. Read the decision. They specificaly rule it out.
  - tmountain 4y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contraception-supreme-court-clarence-thomas-griswold/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contracep... https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-thomas-said-the-court-should-reconsider-rulings-on-same-sex-marriage-2022-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-thomas-said-the-cour... https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitution... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/clarence-thomas-roe-griswold-lawrence-obergefell.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/clarence-thomas-roe-gr...
inlined 4y ago
Except access to contraception is based on the same reading of the constitution that Roe v Wade depended on and has now been gutted. There are now legitimate pushes to outlaw contraception for unmarried people.
- starkd 4y ago
  Read the decision. Kavanaugh and Roberts were very specific that the reasoning doesn't affect other issues.
  - dallashoxton 4y ago
    Nobody has any reason to believe anything Kavanaugh says, the man has a known history of lying.
  - deleted 4y ago
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JoshTriplett 4y ago
> there's freedom of movement between states If you have money, or a network of help, and a safe home situation... It's easy to say "everyone in a regressive state should move". It's easy to say "everyone in a regressive country should move". Not everyone has that option as readily available as you might imagine.
- starkd 4y ago
  There are inconviences behind everything you go to do. Simply saying "not everybody can afford something" is not an argument. It's a convenient escape hatch. If people spent half the effort to actually help any women in such a situation than they do at protesting, most such extreme situations could be solved.
wonnage 4y ago
fifticon 4y ago
Rich people aren't, but a lot of people getting in trouble with this aren't rich people. Rich people will still get their abortions,law or not.
buttersbrian 4y ago
So now I must travel hours to receive a procedure that may save MY life? If I have an ectopic pregnancy you are going to make me cross multiple states potentially to have a life saving procedure that can currently be performed at any small hospital in the country if not for legal restrictions? That's certainly part asinine.
- starkd 4y ago
  Most of the legislation either includes or is eventually amended to provide for those exceptions. 12 to 15 weeks is generally should be more than enough time.
egypturnash 4y ago
There's also a hell of a lot of people in this state who can't afford to take multiple days off from their four jobs that barely pay the bills between them to travel halfway across the country for an abortion if they find out after it's too late for any pills. Most of the Bible Belt has similar trigger laws; the closest states that still have legal abortion are Minnesota, Kansas, and Illinois. The GOP is working their hardest to send everyone back to 1970. Or further. 1850 looks pretty good to them.

by starkd 4y ago

tmountain 4y ago

Birth control is next on the chopping block. Justice Thomas already stated that Griswold v. Connecticut should be reconsidered.

starkd 4y ago
Wrong. Read the decision. They specificaly rule it out.
- tmountain 4y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contraception-supreme-court-clarence-thomas-griswold/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contracep... https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-thomas-said-the-court-should-reconsider-rulings-on-same-sex-marriage-2022-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-thomas-said-the-cour... https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitution... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/clarence-thomas-roe-griswold-lawrence-obergefell.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/clarence-thomas-roe-gr...

inlined 4y ago

Except access to contraception is based on the same reading of the constitution that Roe v Wade depended on and has now been gutted. There are now legitimate pushes to outlaw contraception for unmarried people.

starkd 4y ago
Read the decision. Kavanaugh and Roberts were very specific that the reasoning doesn't affect other issues.
- dallashoxton 4y ago
  Nobody has any reason to believe anything Kavanaugh says, the man has a known history of lying.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

JoshTriplett 4y ago

> there's freedom of movement between states If you have money, or a network of help, and a safe home situation... It's easy to say "everyone in a regressive state should move". It's easy to say "everyone in a regressive country should move". Not everyone has that option as readily available as you might imagine.

starkd 4y ago
There are inconviences behind everything you go to do. Simply saying "not everybody can afford something" is not an argument. It's a convenient escape hatch. If people spent half the effort to actually help any women in such a situation than they do at protesting, most such extreme situations could be solved.

wonnage 4y ago

fifticon 4y ago

Rich people aren't, but a lot of people getting in trouble with this aren't rich people. Rich people will still get their abortions,law or not.

buttersbrian 4y ago

So now I must travel hours to receive a procedure that may save MY life? If I have an ectopic pregnancy you are going to make me cross multiple states potentially to have a life saving procedure that can currently be performed at any small hospital in the country if not for legal restrictions? That's certainly part asinine.

starkd 4y ago
Most of the legislation either includes or is eventually amended to provide for those exceptions. 12 to 15 weeks is generally should be more than enough time.

egypturnash 4y ago

There's also a hell of a lot of people in this state who can't afford to take multiple days off from their four jobs that barely pay the bills between them to travel halfway across the country for an abortion if they find out after it's too late for any pills. Most of the Bible Belt has similar trigger laws; the closest states that still have legal abortion are Minnesota, Kansas, and Illinois. The GOP is working their hardest to send everyone back to 1970. Or further. 1850 looks pretty good to them.