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>Compelled paternity isn’t a matter of bodily autonomy >Child support isn't a matter of bodily autonomy A man can be ordered by a court to obtain a job to pay
by Dracophoenix 4y ago
>Compelled paternity isn’t a matter of bodily autonomy
>Child support isn't a matter of bodily autonomy
A man can be ordered by a court to obtain a job to pay for the child or risk being thrown in prison for refusing to comply. Even terminating parental rights does not remove him from the obligation of paying child support. There has never been a case of compelled maternity (compulsion to mother a child) as every state, even the ones that will now be able to criminalize abortions, allow a mother to surrender her child within a period of at least 72 hours.
> The law can theoretically compel everyone to be vaccinated, not just men. That’s equal protection under the law. It’s also only available in public health crises - not routine.
Equal violation is not equal protection. Otherwise slavery would be OK as long as you could find a persuasive or compelling enough interest for it and found that it could be equally applied to men and women. That's not how rights work. They're inalienable. You either have them or you don't.
> Again sterilization has been applied to men and women.
Same as above.
> Selective service is maybe the only analog to forced birth, and even that has carve outs for religious and moral beliefs.
Carveouts and concessions only make the violation of a right palatable, not reasonable or justifiable. Several states that oppose abortions have carveouts for incest, rape, and/or threats to the health of the mother. In spite of these carveouts, I reject that states or even the federal government should have a say on what one does with one's body in the first place with "special" cases being negotiated after the fact.
- kennywinker 4y agoWell then we mostly agree. I’ve just been trying to draw consistent lines through an inconsistent system. I believe the system should be consistent, and I believe that there is no consistent system that men could live with that would also include banned abortion.
- Dracophoenix 4y agoThen you share my own interest. I would certainly enjoy a constitution that was consistently interpreted to acknowledge and protect negative rights from first principles. But anyone who's read case law will find the actual practice of law to be more disappointing. > Well then we mostly agree. What is it that you don't agree with?