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Except of course for all the medically necessary abortions which are extremely scientifically justified. This decision will almost certainly kill thousands of w

by generj 4y ago

Except of course for all the medically necessary abortions which are extremely scientifically justified. This decision will almost certainly kill thousands of women annually.

inlined 4y ago
And we have representatives who are literally pro-death. Some have said no exception for ectopic pregnancies and some have clearly stated that there is no exception for the life of the mother.
- mountainriver 4y ago
  if you believe a fetus is a human life then Roe v. Wade is certainly pro-death
  - generj 4y ago
    But relatively few people believe this. Maybe 30% of the country, and even then it is unclear how earnestly they do because most people who are staunchly anti-abortion support or use other techniques which functionally destroy embryos and fetuses. For example, IVF would create and then kill dozens of children for every successful birth. But IVF is extremely popular. It is unclear to me why 30% of the country gets to impose their morals on 70% of the country. It is clearly a moral argument either way, there are compelling moral issues about removing bodily autonomy and consent from women even beyond the medically preventable fatalities which will occur. Then there are the moral issues with rape and incest victims, being required to give birth, etc. Do the 30% have a far superior moral compass than the 70% who have examined the same complicated issue and come to a different conclusion?
    - mountainriver 4y ago
      Totally agree, I'm more arguing devils advocate than anything. I think a minority imposing laws on the majority is undemocratic. I just also think it's worth trying to actual meet people where they are, most genuinely think we're killing babies and want to stop that, and to be fair we have no idea when a human life starts. I'm just really over the villainization of people who are just concerned.
zimpenfish 4y ago
Almost happened this week in Malta: https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/23/barbaric-maltas-abortion-law-threatens-us-womans-life-say-doctors https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/23/barbaric-maltas-abortion...
mountainriver 4y ago
It's a question of morals not science, that should be completely obvious. If you believe a fetus is a human life then its probably more justified morally to end the mothers life instead of the newborn. There are of course some exceptions where the fetus wouldn't be viable in any scenario, those rapidly change with technology. To be clear I'm pro abortion when its medically needed, I just think people give the other side too bad of a wrap and act like this is settled science. Also worth noting that overturning Roe v Wade would reduce the loss of life if you believe a fetus is a person. Most abortions are not medically needed, meaning we are killing millions of people

by generj 4y ago

Except of course for all the medically necessary abortions which are extremely scientifically justified. This decision will almost certainly kill thousands of women annually.

inlined 4y ago

And we have representatives who are literally pro-death. Some have said no exception for ectopic pregnancies and some have clearly stated that there is no exception for the life of the mother.

mountainriver 4y ago
if you believe a fetus is a human life then Roe v. Wade is certainly pro-death
- generj 4y ago
  But relatively few people believe this. Maybe 30% of the country, and even then it is unclear how earnestly they do because most people who are staunchly anti-abortion support or use other techniques which functionally destroy embryos and fetuses. For example, IVF would create and then kill dozens of children for every successful birth. But IVF is extremely popular. It is unclear to me why 30% of the country gets to impose their morals on 70% of the country. It is clearly a moral argument either way, there are compelling moral issues about removing bodily autonomy and consent from women even beyond the medically preventable fatalities which will occur. Then there are the moral issues with rape and incest victims, being required to give birth, etc. Do the 30% have a far superior moral compass than the 70% who have examined the same complicated issue and come to a different conclusion?
  - mountainriver 4y ago
    Totally agree, I'm more arguing devils advocate than anything. I think a minority imposing laws on the majority is undemocratic. I just also think it's worth trying to actual meet people where they are, most genuinely think we're killing babies and want to stop that, and to be fair we have no idea when a human life starts. I'm just really over the villainization of people who are just concerned.

zimpenfish 4y ago

Almost happened this week in Malta: https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/23/barbaric-maltas-abortion-law-threatens-us-womans-life-say-doctors https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/23/barbaric-maltas-abortion...

mountainriver 4y ago

It's a question of morals not science, that should be completely obvious. If you believe a fetus is a human life then its probably more justified morally to end the mothers life instead of the newborn. There are of course some exceptions where the fetus wouldn't be viable in any scenario, those rapidly change with technology. To be clear I'm pro abortion when its medically needed, I just think people give the other side too bad of a wrap and act like this is settled science. Also worth noting that overturning Roe v Wade would reduce the loss of life if you believe a fetus is a person. Most abortions are not medically needed, meaning we are killing millions of people