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I'm about to bring you a chicken, do you consider HeLa cells to be a human life? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He

I'm about to bring you a chicken, do you consider HeLa cells to be a human life? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks > It's hardliners on both sides who are doing the most fighting because they either think that it's okay to abort up to the point of birth or that terminating a bunch of cells is murder. The pro-life hardliners are the ones currently overturning super-precedents and creating trigger laws in red states. This isn't hypothetical, it's going to cause real harm to poor women and poor children. Again, all these decisions are being made by pro-life hardliners aren't even willing to have a discussion AT ALL, many even believe that contraceptives are "killing babies". There's no basis behind their beliefs other than the bible. Most couldn't even tell you the stages of fetal development.

francisofascii 4y ago
> There's no basis behind their beliefs other than the bible That is a bit unfair. An ultrasound is pretty compelling evidence.
- softcactus 4y ago
  Can the state compel you to get an ultrasound to prove you are pregnant? No, that would be an invasion of privacy. That was the underlying logic of the Roe V. Wade ruling. Also, I could show you an ultrasound of a mouse or a dolphin at 6 weeks and tell you it's a human fetus and you'd believe it. "Well the human fetus has human DNA" ok, does that have any meaning at that stage of development when their features are all the same? At that point the distinctive trait that allows for abortion of a Dolphin but not a Human is the DNA, or that it's inside of a human mother. It's all arbitrary distinctions. You can have a real discussion about it but pro-lifers start and end at the Bible.