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I think it's almost impossible to succeed banning it nationally. First of all as a wedge issue there's a certain percentage of independent voters who wouldn't

I think it's almost impossible to succeed banning it nationally. First of all as a wedge issue there's a certain percentage of independent voters who wouldn't allow that to happen. Second there are Republicans who support abortion and make that a public stand.

clifdweller 4y ago
It is possible they could without a direct vote. FDA just banned juul for not having adequate studies on effects of their products and how they market them. No vote, not much public discourse. Looking at that in another way they banned a drug/substance that damages cells in your body. Abortions drugs/procedures damage cells in your body. I'm sure if if someone really wanted to at fda they could start requesting abortions federally stopped until they can prove some unprovable concept.
- mancerayder 4y ago
  Anything is possible, but I think it's a stretch that they'd use a Federal agency in that way. That would be a big uproar that would guarantee reversal in the next cycle's elections, anyway. Moreover the Republicans complain about the Federal agencies having too much power.
  - mikeyouse 4y ago
    Do you not understand that the "Federal agencies having too much power" is a superficial complaint they use when things work against them, but are happy to flip when it's in their favor? One easy example, the Trump EPA attempted to ban states from setting their own fuel economy standards via an administrative ruling: https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/trump-administration-announces-one-national-program-rule-federal-preemption-state-fuel https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/trump-administration-announ.... It also went further banning other states from adopting California's standards for vehicles by unilaterally deciding that emissions rules can't apply to greenhouse gases that are emitted from cars....
  - foogazi 4y ago
    > That would be a big uproar Oh, no, not an uproar
Volundr 4y ago
This all strikes me as very similar to what people used to say about overturning Roe.
rograndom 4y ago
It. Just. Happened.
mancerayder 4y ago
Let's try to avoid quips and the like, which I'm going to ignore above. In that spirit, please glance at https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/17/a-closer-look-at-republicans-who-favor-legal-abortion-and-democrats-who-oppose-it/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/17/a-closer-lo... which you might find very interesting. And perhaps hopeful; it shows a large fraction of Republicans and right-leaning independents supporting keeping abortion legal.

clifdweller 4y ago

It is possible they could without a direct vote. FDA just banned juul for not having adequate studies on effects of their products and how they market them. No vote, not much public discourse. Looking at that in another way they banned a drug/substance that damages cells in your body. Abortions drugs/procedures damage cells in your body. I'm sure if if someone really wanted to at fda they could start requesting abortions federally stopped until they can prove some unprovable concept.

mancerayder 4y ago
Anything is possible, but I think it's a stretch that they'd use a Federal agency in that way. That would be a big uproar that would guarantee reversal in the next cycle's elections, anyway. Moreover the Republicans complain about the Federal agencies having too much power.
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  Do you not understand that the "Federal agencies having too much power" is a superficial complaint they use when things work against them, but are happy to flip when it's in their favor? One easy example, the Trump EPA attempted to ban states from setting their own fuel economy standards via an administrative ruling: https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/trump-administration-announces-one-national-program-rule-federal-preemption-state-fuel https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/trump-administration-announ.... It also went further banning other states from adopting California's standards for vehicles by unilaterally deciding that emissions rules can't apply to greenhouse gases that are emitted from cars....
- foogazi 4y ago
  > That would be a big uproar Oh, no, not an uproar

Volundr 4y ago

This all strikes me as very similar to what people used to say about overturning Roe.

rograndom 4y ago

It. Just. Happened.

mancerayder 4y ago

Let's try to avoid quips and the like, which I'm going to ignore above. In that spirit, please glance at https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/17/a-closer-look-at-republicans-who-favor-legal-abortion-and-democrats-who-oppose-it/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/17/a-closer-lo... which you might find very interesting. And perhaps hopeful; it shows a large fraction of Republicans and right-leaning independents supporting keeping abortion legal.