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It should have been codified into law decades ago, but EVERYONE with few exceptions loves to fundraise off of it. Want to know how you know the US will backsli

It should have been codified into law decades ago, but EVERYONE with few exceptions loves to fundraise off of it. Want to know how you know the US will backslide? I Said it a decade ago - when R's are willing to pull the trigger on Roe, it will be because they are going for everything.

cryptonector 4y ago
That's an overly dramatic take. My prediction is that Republicans will now begin losing seats in red State legislatures precisely because of this decision.
- mgkimsal 4y ago
  'now begin' If it happens, and it's because of this decision, I don't think it'll be felt for a while. Certainly I don't expect any backlash this election cycle, and probably no real consequences from this in 2024. I suspect that, to the extent negative effects are felt from this, there will be years of blaming those effects on 'liberal policies' and demonizing democrats some more. I'm pessimistic, but think we'll have a generation before there's any real backlash against the Republican Party over this issue (and by then, the party largely won't look the same as it does today anyway).
  - cryptonector 4y ago
    It could be felt in November, or in 2024. 2026 at the latest.
- 31835843 4y ago
- lovich 4y ago
  The republicans have already indicated they are done with democracy. Why would they care if the voters don’t like it? They’ll just change the electors to whoever picks what they want
  - ryan93 4y ago
    No they wont
    - lovich 4y ago
      They believe they can. They tried last election and they'll try again as they had zero fucking consequences. If you think they wont try you are either one of them or have your head in the sand. Edit: It was also frequently stated that "no, they wont" when people were worried about the conservatives overturning roe v wade, but here we are!
- mikkergp 4y ago
  Really? I was under the impression that we've split enough geographically that the citizens of red states would support this decision.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >That's an overly dramatic take. My prediction is that Republicans will now begin losing seats in red State legislatures precisely because of this decision. Unlikely. cf.: https://www.cesifo.org/en/node/60300 https://www.cesifo.org/en/node/60300 https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-three-states-republicans-lost-popular-vote-won-house/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-thr... https://www.evcnational.org/partisan-gerrymandering https://www.evcnational.org/partisan-gerrymandering https://changetherules.org/gerrymandering-united-states/ https://changetherules.org/gerrymandering-united-states/
dragonwriter 4y ago
> It should have been codified into law decades ago, If its not a 14th Amendment right, what is the Constitutional basis for codification? An expansive view of the Commerce Clause? That’s…not going to fly with the same politico-judicial faction that would hold it isn’t protected by the 14th Amendment. Codification is a sideshow.
- rufus_foreman 4y ago
  From Kavanaugh's concurrence: "On the question of abortion, the Constitution is therefore neither pro-life nor pro-choice. The Constitution is neutral and leaves the issue for the people and their elected representatives to resolve through the democratic process in the States or Congress — like the numerous other difficult questions of American social and economic policy that the Constitution does not address". ... "After today’s decision, the nine Members of this Court will no longer decide the basic legality of pre-viability abortion for all 330 million Americans. That issue will be resolved by the people and their representatives in the democratic process in the States or Congress."
GiorgioG 4y ago
I'm disappointed with the decision, but it's an obvious reaction to what conservatives view as "the extreme left/progressives" pushing too far/hard. "...when the pendulum swings too far in one direction it will go back" (RBG) I'm an independent and I share many views with both R's and D's. However I can say that at the extremes of each party - they're fucking it all up for all of us.
thathndude 4y ago
This is sadly true. Within one hour of the decision, I had spam text messages from both parties trying to raise money against the decision

cryptonector 4y ago

That's an overly dramatic take. My prediction is that Republicans will now begin losing seats in red State legislatures precisely because of this decision.

mgkimsal 4y ago
'now begin' If it happens, and it's because of this decision, I don't think it'll be felt for a while. Certainly I don't expect any backlash this election cycle, and probably no real consequences from this in 2024. I suspect that, to the extent negative effects are felt from this, there will be years of blaming those effects on 'liberal policies' and demonizing democrats some more. I'm pessimistic, but think we'll have a generation before there's any real backlash against the Republican Party over this issue (and by then, the party largely won't look the same as it does today anyway).
- cryptonector 4y ago
  It could be felt in November, or in 2024. 2026 at the latest.
31835843 4y ago
lovich 4y ago
The republicans have already indicated they are done with democracy. Why would they care if the voters don’t like it? They’ll just change the electors to whoever picks what they want
- ryan93 4y ago
  No they wont
  - lovich 4y ago
    They believe they can. They tried last election and they'll try again as they had zero fucking consequences. If you think they wont try you are either one of them or have your head in the sand. Edit: It was also frequently stated that "no, they wont" when people were worried about the conservatives overturning roe v wade, but here we are!
mikkergp 4y ago
Really? I was under the impression that we've split enough geographically that the citizens of red states would support this decision.
nobody9999 4y ago
>That's an overly dramatic take. My prediction is that Republicans will now begin losing seats in red State legislatures precisely because of this decision. Unlikely. cf.: https://www.cesifo.org/en/node/60300 https://www.cesifo.org/en/node/60300 https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-three-states-republicans-lost-popular-vote-won-house/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-thr... https://www.evcnational.org/partisan-gerrymandering https://www.evcnational.org/partisan-gerrymandering https://changetherules.org/gerrymandering-united-states/ https://changetherules.org/gerrymandering-united-states/

dragonwriter 4y ago

> It should have been codified into law decades ago, If its not a 14th Amendment right, what is the Constitutional basis for codification? An expansive view of the Commerce Clause? That’s…not going to fly with the same politico-judicial faction that would hold it isn’t protected by the 14th Amendment. Codification is a sideshow.

rufus_foreman 4y ago
From Kavanaugh's concurrence: "On the question of abortion, the Constitution is therefore neither pro-life nor pro-choice. The Constitution is neutral and leaves the issue for the people and their elected representatives to resolve through the democratic process in the States or Congress — like the numerous other difficult questions of American social and economic policy that the Constitution does not address". ... "After today’s decision, the nine Members of this Court will no longer decide the basic legality of pre-viability abortion for all 330 million Americans. That issue will be resolved by the people and their representatives in the democratic process in the States or Congress."

GiorgioG 4y ago

I'm disappointed with the decision, but it's an obvious reaction to what conservatives view as "the extreme left/progressives" pushing too far/hard. "...when the pendulum swings too far in one direction it will go back" (RBG) I'm an independent and I share many views with both R's and D's. However I can say that at the extremes of each party - they're fucking it all up for all of us.

thathndude 4y ago

This is sadly true. Within one hour of the decision, I had spam text messages from both parties trying to raise money against the decision