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:raises-hand: Emotion is not the driver, reason is. Two syllogisms: 1. Innocent people ought not be killed. Children are innocent people. Therefore, children o

• jimkleiber 4y ago
  While I don't agree with your premise that emotion is not the main driver for the vast majority of people, I'll go with it: - At what point do you believe it becomes a person? Viable to survive outside of the womb, heartbeat, insemination? - How do you define innocent, as one who does not have actions that cause harm to another, one who does not have intent to harm another, or something else? - If defined as one who does not have intent to harm another, how do we know what the unborn child's intent is? Do you assume that the child is not developed enough to have intent? At which point does the child develop intent? - What if you would consider the child already dead from other causes and needs to be extracted, should the mother be allowed to have it removed? What if the baby is an ectopic pregnancy, growing outside of the womb and likely to cause significant harm or death to the mother, is the assumption that the mother is not as innocent as the unborn child and therefore we should prioritize the child? I'm ok and even excited to take a reason-based approach (ironically stating how I have have feelings about taking a reason-based approach), I just hope if you want to go down that path, that you will go deeper down it with me.