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speaking quickly with broad strokes that really have a lot more underlying nuance than im implying: there is a greater sharing of ideas in urban locations. mo

speaking quickly with broad strokes that really have a lot more underlying nuance than im implying: there is a greater sharing of ideas in urban locations. more progression happens. they fail to spread the progression to rural locations. It is a dynamic and evolving ecosystem and we are failing to educate and / or motivate rural locations to care about these things properly. Instead urban culture usually acts superior, makes demands, and assume what they believe should be obvious and by not coming to the same conclusions immediately during a confrontation that means rural people are evil. Rural people double down on the beliefs because at the end of the day nothing really matters and they might as well stick to something that gives them a sense of belonging since they very obviously do not belong with urban culture.

prometheus76 4y ago
Just because people don't share your worldview doesn't mean they're uneducated or that education is the way to change their minds. "...at the end of the day nothing really matters..." is the exact kind of worldview that rural people would prefer stay in the cities. If by "educating" me, you want to make me into a solipsistic nihilist, you can keep your education to yourself.
- cupofpython 4y ago
  The only education in this thread that I would like to distill onto the rural populations is that Freedom of Choice does not take away your ability to have babies on whatever terms you want, nor does it remove your ability form a community with like minded people where abortions are frowned upon and everyone agrees not to get them and anyone who does is exiled from the community. It does however mean someone has the right to choose whether or not they want to be a part of your community, and takes away your ability to use state and federal resources to enforce your choice as being more important than someone else's choice.
  - prometheus76 4y ago
    One, your choices also affect the people around you. Two, before the overturn, state and federal resources have been used to enforce and support those who choose to abort their babies, which is just the mirror of what you said, which negates your argument from that point. Three, all that happened is that now it becomes a state issue rather than a federal issue. Don't like your state? Move. Need an abortion but can't in your state? Get a flight or hop in a car.
    - FireBeyond 4y ago
      > Don't like your state? Move. Need an abortion but can't in your state? Get a flight or hop in a car. Texas and Missouri would like a word. Texas: snitch on someone who had an abortion anywhere, and get paid. Missouri: "Conspiracy to commit an abortion" is now a crime. The conspiracy happens when you get in your car or book the flight.
    - cupofpython 4y ago
      In my initial post I was obviously aware that I was not going to paint a perfect picture of my opinion in this text forum. but sure, ill bite. One - no shit, pro-choice has considerably less consequences on the people around you than pro life does. Two - Nothing is invalidated, I made a sound argument that you are free to disagree with using your own sound argument. Using resources to support someones choice is not the same as using resources to take away someones choice. Abortion can be legal, and your state can still control to what extent resources will be used to support it. Three - Yes I understand. I directed my previous message at rural people. the ones who decide on the laws. However, you advocate for people to go get an abortion in another state. that is pro-choice in spirit, isnt it? Why do you care if they cross a state border to get an abortion? If you are pro-choice, dont you want your state law to reflect that? >Need an abortion but can't in your state? Get a flight or hop in a car. except for the fact that "your" state can put you in jail for committing a crime if you do this. I agree though that people should try to leave the state (entirely) if it has unagreeable laws and the majority in that state wants to preserve them. I also think the prolifers in my state should stop standing outside planned parenthood and move to a different state also. It's pretty dumb that people try to be a part of their community and improve it rather than move somewhere that already agrees with them, right?
2b3a51 4y ago
Who pays the bills? (UK: we have similar issues about 'left behind' towns who are heavily subsidised by large cities)

prometheus76 4y ago

Just because people don't share your worldview doesn't mean they're uneducated or that education is the way to change their minds. "...at the end of the day nothing really matters..." is the exact kind of worldview that rural people would prefer stay in the cities. If by "educating" me, you want to make me into a solipsistic nihilist, you can keep your education to yourself.

cupofpython 4y ago
The only education in this thread that I would like to distill onto the rural populations is that Freedom of Choice does not take away your ability to have babies on whatever terms you want, nor does it remove your ability form a community with like minded people where abortions are frowned upon and everyone agrees not to get them and anyone who does is exiled from the community. It does however mean someone has the right to choose whether or not they want to be a part of your community, and takes away your ability to use state and federal resources to enforce your choice as being more important than someone else's choice.
- prometheus76 4y ago
  One, your choices also affect the people around you. Two, before the overturn, state and federal resources have been used to enforce and support those who choose to abort their babies, which is just the mirror of what you said, which negates your argument from that point. Three, all that happened is that now it becomes a state issue rather than a federal issue. Don't like your state? Move. Need an abortion but can't in your state? Get a flight or hop in a car.
  - FireBeyond 4y ago
    > Don't like your state? Move. Need an abortion but can't in your state? Get a flight or hop in a car. Texas and Missouri would like a word. Texas: snitch on someone who had an abortion anywhere, and get paid. Missouri: "Conspiracy to commit an abortion" is now a crime. The conspiracy happens when you get in your car or book the flight.
  - cupofpython 4y ago
    In my initial post I was obviously aware that I was not going to paint a perfect picture of my opinion in this text forum. but sure, ill bite. One - no shit, pro-choice has considerably less consequences on the people around you than pro life does. Two - Nothing is invalidated, I made a sound argument that you are free to disagree with using your own sound argument. Using resources to support someones choice is not the same as using resources to take away someones choice. Abortion can be legal, and your state can still control to what extent resources will be used to support it. Three - Yes I understand. I directed my previous message at rural people. the ones who decide on the laws. However, you advocate for people to go get an abortion in another state. that is pro-choice in spirit, isnt it? Why do you care if they cross a state border to get an abortion? If you are pro-choice, dont you want your state law to reflect that? >Need an abortion but can't in your state? Get a flight or hop in a car. except for the fact that "your" state can put you in jail for committing a crime if you do this. I agree though that people should try to leave the state (entirely) if it has unagreeable laws and the majority in that state wants to preserve them. I also think the prolifers in my state should stop standing outside planned parenthood and move to a different state also. It's pretty dumb that people try to be a part of their community and improve it rather than move somewhere that already agrees with them, right?

2b3a51 4y ago

Who pays the bills? (UK: we have similar issues about 'left behind' towns who are heavily subsidised by large cities)