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63% of Americans support Roe v Wade and 80% support abortions in some cases. People agree on that. Adding it to the constitution hasn’t happened because politi

63% of Americans support Roe v Wade and 80% support abortions in some cases. People agree on that. Adding it to the constitution hasn’t happened because politics.

andrew_ 4y ago
It's getting the states to ratify the amendment that's difficult. General population poll numbers don't equate to state ratification support.
gnicholas 4y ago
In polling I've seen, roughly 2/3 are pro-Roe, but roughly 2/3 also misunderstand what it would mean to overturn Roe. They believe that abortion would be illegal everywhere, not that the legality would devolve to the states. So while it's true that 2/3 of Americans say they want Roe kept in place, it's also true that many of them don't know what that actually means.
- darth_avocado 4y ago
  >They believe that abortion would be illegal everywhere. While that will not be true, access to abortion will be very limited everywhere. With 26 states limiting it seriously and no constitutional protections on getting abortions in a different state, you could see a vast majority of population not have access to abortions. Even if everyone starts traveling for abortions, a huge amount of the population won’t be able to travel. And the ones who travel will stress the medical facilities to the extent that people living in states that have legal abortion access, will still have it’s populations access to abortions severely limited. It doesn’t matter if 2/3 Americans don’t know what it actually means. What matters is 2/3 Americans want access to abortions, and that access will be severely limited regardless of whether it’s legal in your state.
  - gnicholas 4y ago
    > access to abortion will be very limited everywhere This is surely not true. Forty percent of the US population lives in states with laws protecting access to abortion. The AP is reporting that 20 states have heavy restrictions/bans, and the remainder are to-be-determined. [1] I've seen the 26 state reference floating around on social media and wonder which states are included, beyond what news outlets are reporting. I'm open to the possibility that the AP has this wrong — the reason I'd like to know the source of the 26 figure is to compare it to the mostly-trusted sources that are giving lower numbers. To be clear, I'm not weighing in on whether today's decision is good or bad. I just wanted to clear up some of the statistics that people hear a lot, since they are sometimes based on misunderstandings of the law (which are reasonable since the case was decided a long time ago, and until recently most people thought it would not be overturned anytime soon, if ever). 1: https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0 https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-8...
    - gusgus01 4y ago
      There are 22 if you include 6-week bans and ones that have laws that are still being challenged: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-supreme-court-roe-v-wade https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126... I'm not sure what the exact right number is, but it probably comes down to the details and how you classify them.
missedthecue 4y ago
If this polling is true, we'll see it in the November elections. If it the elections don't show this, either people really don't care, or the polls were wrong.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Why? Is there any conceivable scenario where the Dems are going to leave the midterms with a 60 seat majority in the senate? No, so why does it matter?
- darth_avocado 4y ago
  That is so not the case, it’s not that the people don’t care, it is that even if they vote, their vote doesn’t matter.
  - missedthecue 4y ago
    It is the case. We can easily look at turnout figures.
    - heretogetout 4y ago
      And we can clearly see the result of the previous election. Voting absolutely matters.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >If this polling is true, we'll see it in the November elections. If it the elections don't show this, either people really don't care, or the polls were wrong. cf. Gerrymandering.
  - missedthecue 4y ago
    In spite of gerrymandering, we'll see it in the turnout. Or not.

63% of Americans support Roe v Wade and 80% support abortions in some cases. People agree on that. Adding it to the constitution hasn’t happened because politics.

andrew_ 4y ago

It's getting the states to ratify the amendment that's difficult. General population poll numbers don't equate to state ratification support.

gnicholas 4y ago

In polling I've seen, roughly 2/3 are pro-Roe, but roughly 2/3 also misunderstand what it would mean to overturn Roe. They believe that abortion would be illegal everywhere, not that the legality would devolve to the states. So while it's true that 2/3 of Americans say they want Roe kept in place, it's also true that many of them don't know what that actually means.

darth_avocado 4y ago
>They believe that abortion would be illegal everywhere. While that will not be true, access to abortion will be very limited everywhere. With 26 states limiting it seriously and no constitutional protections on getting abortions in a different state, you could see a vast majority of population not have access to abortions. Even if everyone starts traveling for abortions, a huge amount of the population won’t be able to travel. And the ones who travel will stress the medical facilities to the extent that people living in states that have legal abortion access, will still have it’s populations access to abortions severely limited. It doesn’t matter if 2/3 Americans don’t know what it actually means. What matters is 2/3 Americans want access to abortions, and that access will be severely limited regardless of whether it’s legal in your state.
- gnicholas 4y ago
  > access to abortion will be very limited everywhere This is surely not true. Forty percent of the US population lives in states with laws protecting access to abortion. The AP is reporting that 20 states have heavy restrictions/bans, and the remainder are to-be-determined. [1] I've seen the 26 state reference floating around on social media and wonder which states are included, beyond what news outlets are reporting. I'm open to the possibility that the AP has this wrong — the reason I'd like to know the source of the 26 figure is to compare it to the mostly-trusted sources that are giving lower numbers. To be clear, I'm not weighing in on whether today's decision is good or bad. I just wanted to clear up some of the statistics that people hear a lot, since they are sometimes based on misunderstandings of the law (which are reasonable since the case was decided a long time ago, and until recently most people thought it would not be overturned anytime soon, if ever). 1: https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0 https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-8...
  - gusgus01 4y ago
    There are 22 if you include 6-week bans and ones that have laws that are still being challenged: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126432/abortion-bans-supreme-court-roe-v-wade https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107126... I'm not sure what the exact right number is, but it probably comes down to the details and how you classify them.

missedthecue 4y ago

If this polling is true, we'll see it in the November elections. If it the elections don't show this, either people really don't care, or the polls were wrong.

sudosysgen 4y ago
Why? Is there any conceivable scenario where the Dems are going to leave the midterms with a 60 seat majority in the senate? No, so why does it matter?
darth_avocado 4y ago
That is so not the case, it’s not that the people don’t care, it is that even if they vote, their vote doesn’t matter.
- missedthecue 4y ago
  It is the case. We can easily look at turnout figures.
  - heretogetout 4y ago
    And we can clearly see the result of the previous election. Voting absolutely matters.
nobody9999 4y ago
>If this polling is true, we'll see it in the November elections. If it the elections don't show this, either people really don't care, or the polls were wrong. cf. Gerrymandering.
- missedthecue 4y ago
  In spite of gerrymandering, we'll see it in the turnout. Or not.