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This is pretty much why Chrome is perceived as the best product, to the point of being identical to the standard. It's only when you turn away from Chrome as th

This is pretty much why Chrome is perceived as the best product, to the point of being identical to the standard. It's only when you turn away from Chrome as the principal development platform and develop for other browsers first and then checking on Chrome, because, what works on WebKit should work on Chrome, as well, that you start to see its many shortcomings. E.g., did you know that Chrome doesn't manage to render preformatted mono-space text at a uniform character width, 30 years after the introduction of the "pre" tag, in its +100 iteration? (E.g., Greek characters in formulas. So, where is the problem, there's MathML, a standard since the 1990s and part of HTML5. Oh… So let's add training wheels for Chrome, making each character a span of its own and fixing it in CSS… – To be fair, MathML doesn't enjoy a decent implementation in any browser, but with regard to implementing standards… Or take the implementation of certain UI elements like range inputs: let's make a slider from -100 to +100 preset to 0 in the center. Now +2, a discrete value, is rendered as an accent-colored range of 103 units, which somehow is supposed to make sense, and users become subtly shamed into picking higher values by the means of a more or less colorful experience. No option to disable this utter nonsense and Mozilla even followed on this path, because Chrome is the standard. As a result, if you need a basic, non-biased input, you have to come up with a non-standard implementation of your own, probably involving all kinds of accessibility issues.)

stale2002 4y ago
You just ignored everything that I said. I was responding to you making the false claim that users can just choose to use chrome, in the competitive market. That's not true because Apple anti-competitively prevents users from installing the real version of chrome, that isn't handicapped. And then I used the analogy of Microsoft banning all competing browsers, which I'd hope you agree is and should be illegal.
- masswerk 4y ago
  The point being, it doesn't run just one way and it works in multiple ways. And, BTW, users can choose to use another mobile OS, by the very same vendor bringing you Chrome, and no, you can't run Safari on that OS. And that OS has already more users than the other one.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > it doesn't run just one way So then you agree completely with me that apple is engaging is some anti-competitive practices, you just think other people are also engaging in anti-competitive practices. That doesn't refute my point. You are agreeing with me that yes Apple engages in anti-competitive practices that limit user choice. So back to the original point. You said this "if the best product wins in a competitive marketplace". This statement is false because Apple is engaging in anti competitive practices that prevent a competitive market from happening. So that is "where the problem is". The problem is the anti competitive practices that you agree with me that Apple is engaging in.

stale2002 4y ago

You just ignored everything that I said. I was responding to you making the false claim that users can just choose to use chrome, in the competitive market. That's not true because Apple anti-competitively prevents users from installing the real version of chrome, that isn't handicapped. And then I used the analogy of Microsoft banning all competing browsers, which I'd hope you agree is and should be illegal.

masswerk 4y ago
The point being, it doesn't run just one way and it works in multiple ways. And, BTW, users can choose to use another mobile OS, by the very same vendor bringing you Chrome, and no, you can't run Safari on that OS. And that OS has already more users than the other one.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > it doesn't run just one way So then you agree completely with me that apple is engaging is some anti-competitive practices, you just think other people are also engaging in anti-competitive practices. That doesn't refute my point. You are agreeing with me that yes Apple engages in anti-competitive practices that limit user choice. So back to the original point. You said this "if the best product wins in a competitive marketplace". This statement is false because Apple is engaging in anti competitive practices that prevent a competitive market from happening. So that is "where the problem is". The problem is the anti competitive practices that you agree with me that Apple is engaging in.