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Pro-choice is the clear majority. There's no argument of "it depends on how you cut it". It's natural for people to disagree within a movement but 69% of Americ

Pro-choice is the clear majority. There's no argument of "it depends on how you cut it". It's natural for people to disagree within a movement but 69% of Americans oppose Roe V. Wade being overturned.

overrun11 4y ago
Ok but the original comment from andrewclunn was clearly correct and your response incorrect. His point was that when nuance is added, the majority belief is less clear. This seems pretty important when there is no definitive understanding of exactly what "pro-choice" means. You've now retreated to an argument that no one was making.
- softcactus 4y ago
  His argument was negating a true claim by playing a game of definitions. Regardless of how you cut it, pro-life is a minority view. Attempting to use shades of pro-choice to diminish that is not arguing in good faith. It's the argument equivalent of going "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!" while holding your finger in front of someone's face. Ultimately though, what matters is how many approve of Roe being overturned, which is a binary, and those who oppose Roe V. Wade are in a very clear cut minority.
  - qweqweqwe90i1 4y ago
    - softcactus 4y ago
      Only 27% think Roe should be overturned. Roe only protected first 3 months (first trimester) except in extreme cases. Your statistics do not support Roe being overturned.
  - overrun11 4y ago
    There's no possible reading of the original comment where it is "objectively incorrect." Clarifying what is meant by extremely vague labels like "Pro-choice" and "Pro-life" is far from a definition game. > what matters is how many approve of Roe being overturned Exceptionally few people understand exactly what the implications of Roe are so this framing is useless.
    - softcactus 4y ago
      > Exceptionally few people understand exactly what the implications of Roe are so this framing is useless. I'd like to hear why you think this. It's only a "useless" framing if you don't buy into the concept of democracy.

overrun11 4y ago

Ok but the original comment from andrewclunn was clearly correct and your response incorrect. His point was that when nuance is added, the majority belief is less clear. This seems pretty important when there is no definitive understanding of exactly what "pro-choice" means. You've now retreated to an argument that no one was making.

softcactus 4y ago
His argument was negating a true claim by playing a game of definitions. Regardless of how you cut it, pro-life is a minority view. Attempting to use shades of pro-choice to diminish that is not arguing in good faith. It's the argument equivalent of going "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!" while holding your finger in front of someone's face. Ultimately though, what matters is how many approve of Roe being overturned, which is a binary, and those who oppose Roe V. Wade are in a very clear cut minority.
- qweqweqwe90i1 4y ago
  - softcactus 4y ago
    Only 27% think Roe should be overturned. Roe only protected first 3 months (first trimester) except in extreme cases. Your statistics do not support Roe being overturned.
- overrun11 4y ago
  There's no possible reading of the original comment where it is "objectively incorrect." Clarifying what is meant by extremely vague labels like "Pro-choice" and "Pro-life" is far from a definition game. > what matters is how many approve of Roe being overturned Exceptionally few people understand exactly what the implications of Roe are so this framing is useless.
  - softcactus 4y ago
    > Exceptionally few people understand exactly what the implications of Roe are so this framing is useless. I'd like to hear why you think this. It's only a "useless" framing if you don't buy into the concept of democracy.