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I would be curious if this decision hurts the Republicans going forward. Religious Americans essentially held their noses to vote for Republicans just to get t

I would be curious if this decision hurts the Republicans going forward. Religious Americans essentially held their noses to vote for Republicans just to get this issue rammed in. Now that they have gotten what they wanted, are they still going to vote for Republicans with the same transactional decision process? Or are they now going to say the Republicans can no longer offer them anything additional and now the problems with Republicans being immoral and unchristian become too large? Once Christians have an abortion ban do they become focused on helping the poor and other issues which were pushed by Jesus and whose teachings more closely align with progressive agendas? Or are they hypocrites and will vote for the Republicans to give the Pharisees & Rich of the world more power?

Fauntleroy 4y ago
It likely won't affect things much, or they wouldn't have let it go through. They will now be focusing on protecting this new status quo; "don't let liberals re-instate abortion and kill children!!!" etc
spacemadness 4y ago
Where are you getting that religious Americans held their noses to vote Republican? That is not the mental model I have of people religious enough to ban abortion.
ceejayoz 4y ago
> Now that they have gotten what they wanted, are they still going to vote for Republicans with the same transactional decision process? Yes; that's why Thomas's concurring decision openly threatens the gay marriage, contraception, etc. decisions. (He left Loving v. Virginia off the list, though. For some reason.) There's plenty more red meat to throw to the Republican base as far as SCOTUS is concerned.
- zeroonetwothree 4y ago
  Republicans aren’t very strongly against those things (as they are abortion). So it’s not going to energize them to such an extent.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > Republicans aren’t very strongly against those things... I'm sorry, Republicans aren't strongly against gay marriage?
    - aquadoggy 4y ago
      The first president to go to into office already supporting gay marriage was a republican (his name was Donald Trump). https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/23/opinion/23bruni-newsletter1/merlin_145743834_ae6dce48-eced-46bb-b923-ace5fd652a20-superJumbo.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/23/opinion/23bruni-n...
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        The official 2016 and 2020 platforms for the Party said otherwise. Actions speak louder than words.
      - joshstrange 4y ago
        He held up a flag and that makes him pro-gay-marriage? Is that all it takes? Some people are so stupid it hurts. The 2016 and 2020 platform both said that marriage is between 1 man and 1 women, they didn't mince words. Pretending Republicans won't try to overturn gay marriage is about as stupid as the people who said they would never overturn Roe v Wade.
  - MandieD 4y ago
    They will be if their various noise machines spin them up to be. Southern Baptists largely didn’t care about abortion before the 1970s, even seeing it as a good thing in some cases. From The Baptist Press, who of course now spouts the party line that abortion is terrible and this SCOTUS decision is wonderful: https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/southern-baptists-transformed-as-u-s-grappled-with-roe-v-wade/ https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/southern-...
  - joshstrange 4y ago
    It's literally part of their national party platform (banning gay marriage). I cannot believe that people honestly think that Republicans won't be chasing banning contraceptives, gay marriage, and trans rights next.
thomastjeffery 4y ago
Abortion isn't the only issue Republicans use. We still have gun rights, "small government", "socialism", healthcare, drugs, human trafficking, etc. Next on the list are LGBTQ+ rights, especially hormone therapy for teenagers, and contraceptives that may destroy or discard a zygote or blastocyst. Overturning Roe means allowing government to invade every healthcare decision and apply any arbitrary religious dogma to it. The fear of abortion was used as a very effective tool for engagement. The more people sit and listen to people "argue" about an "issue" on Fox News or at church, etc., the more politically active they become.

Fauntleroy 4y ago

It likely won't affect things much, or they wouldn't have let it go through. They will now be focusing on protecting this new status quo; "don't let liberals re-instate abortion and kill children!!!" etc

spacemadness 4y ago

Where are you getting that religious Americans held their noses to vote Republican? That is not the mental model I have of people religious enough to ban abortion.

ceejayoz 4y ago

> Now that they have gotten what they wanted, are they still going to vote for Republicans with the same transactional decision process? Yes; that's why Thomas's concurring decision openly threatens the gay marriage, contraception, etc. decisions. (He left Loving v. Virginia off the list, though. For some reason.) There's plenty more red meat to throw to the Republican base as far as SCOTUS is concerned.

zeroonetwothree 4y ago
Republicans aren’t very strongly against those things (as they are abortion). So it’s not going to energize them to such an extent.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > Republicans aren’t very strongly against those things... I'm sorry, Republicans aren't strongly against gay marriage?
  - aquadoggy 4y ago
    The first president to go to into office already supporting gay marriage was a republican (his name was Donald Trump). https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/23/opinion/23bruni-newsletter1/merlin_145743834_ae6dce48-eced-46bb-b923-ace5fd652a20-superJumbo.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/23/opinion/23bruni-n...
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      The official 2016 and 2020 platforms for the Party said otherwise. Actions speak louder than words.
    - joshstrange 4y ago
      He held up a flag and that makes him pro-gay-marriage? Is that all it takes? Some people are so stupid it hurts. The 2016 and 2020 platform both said that marriage is between 1 man and 1 women, they didn't mince words. Pretending Republicans won't try to overturn gay marriage is about as stupid as the people who said they would never overturn Roe v Wade.
- MandieD 4y ago
  They will be if their various noise machines spin them up to be. Southern Baptists largely didn’t care about abortion before the 1970s, even seeing it as a good thing in some cases. From The Baptist Press, who of course now spouts the party line that abortion is terrible and this SCOTUS decision is wonderful: https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/southern-baptists-transformed-as-u-s-grappled-with-roe-v-wade/ https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/southern-...
- joshstrange 4y ago
  It's literally part of their national party platform (banning gay marriage). I cannot believe that people honestly think that Republicans won't be chasing banning contraceptives, gay marriage, and trans rights next.

thomastjeffery 4y ago

Abortion isn't the only issue Republicans use. We still have gun rights, "small government", "socialism", healthcare, drugs, human trafficking, etc. Next on the list are LGBTQ+ rights, especially hormone therapy for teenagers, and contraceptives that may destroy or discard a zygote or blastocyst. Overturning Roe means allowing government to invade every healthcare decision and apply any arbitrary religious dogma to it. The fear of abortion was used as a very effective tool for engagement. The more people sit and listen to people "argue" about an "issue" on Fox News or at church, etc., the more politically active they become.