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No they don’t. Because they don’t act on it. They believe it just deeply enough not to ask why their actions are wildly inconsistent.

Chris2048 4y ago
By that logic - If I'm not willing to help someone else raise their children, I must (for consistency) allow them to murder their children if they wish to do so.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
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overrun11 4y ago
Wildly inconsistent how? I'm asking in good faith and would like an example of an actual logical inconsistency, not a meme non sequitur about AR-15's or free healthcare.
jlmorton 4y ago
Exactly this, a hundred times. Their actions betray them. If they actually thought there were half a million babies being murdered every year, tens of millions since Roe, they would have done something actively to stop it. If there were 500,000 five-year-old kids being murdered every year, with the explicit approval of the government, there would be a civil war. The fact that the overwhelming majority do not do anything is proof positive that they do not believe abortion is equivalent to murder. You can't simply claim, oh, I believe in democracy, or I believe in the rule of law in the face of a government that actively murders hundreds of thousands of children. No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders.
- jklinger410 4y ago
  I think they are just very stupid, and lying to themselves. But this is such a deep stupidity, you can't just say their beliefs aren't real. If this belief of theirs isn't real, none of them are. Which I think is actually true. They believe in nothing.
- peteradio 4y ago
  > No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders. That's where you are wrong. What action exactly are you looking for that would make you respect their beliefs? Apparently its outside the law.
  - jlmorton 4y ago
    Any political system that allows for the murder of half a million five year old children is very obviously not legitimate. If ever there were a justification for outright civil war, this would be it. It doesn't matter one bit whether it's a democracy, or the will of the majority. Any argument otherwise could equally justify any genocide.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      If you really believe abortion is murder, you must believe that spontaneous miscarriage is the leading cause of death in the US, beating heart disease in #2 by a factor of 5. Where is the investment from religious fundamentalists in preventing spontaneous miscarriage?
      - jlmorton 4y ago
        Great point!
  - SantalBlush 4y ago
    Yes, I think that was the point. If people genuinely believed that abortion is the same as murder, they would have revolted against the government a long time ago. They don't really believe it. What they do believe, however, is that any woman who may need an abortion was being promiscuous, and should be punished for her actions. They absolutely believe that.

Chris2048 4y ago

By that logic - If I'm not willing to help someone else raise their children, I must (for consistency) allow them to murder their children if they wish to do so.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
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overrun11 4y ago

Wildly inconsistent how? I'm asking in good faith and would like an example of an actual logical inconsistency, not a meme non sequitur about AR-15's or free healthcare.

jlmorton 4y ago

Exactly this, a hundred times. Their actions betray them. If they actually thought there were half a million babies being murdered every year, tens of millions since Roe, they would have done something actively to stop it. If there were 500,000 five-year-old kids being murdered every year, with the explicit approval of the government, there would be a civil war. The fact that the overwhelming majority do not do anything is proof positive that they do not believe abortion is equivalent to murder. You can't simply claim, oh, I believe in democracy, or I believe in the rule of law in the face of a government that actively murders hundreds of thousands of children. No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders.

jklinger410 4y ago
I think they are just very stupid, and lying to themselves. But this is such a deep stupidity, you can't just say their beliefs aren't real. If this belief of theirs isn't real, none of them are. Which I think is actually true. They believe in nothing.
peteradio 4y ago
> No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders. That's where you are wrong. What action exactly are you looking for that would make you respect their beliefs? Apparently its outside the law.
- jlmorton 4y ago
  Any political system that allows for the murder of half a million five year old children is very obviously not legitimate. If ever there were a justification for outright civil war, this would be it. It doesn't matter one bit whether it's a democracy, or the will of the majority. Any argument otherwise could equally justify any genocide.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    If you really believe abortion is murder, you must believe that spontaneous miscarriage is the leading cause of death in the US, beating heart disease in #2 by a factor of 5. Where is the investment from religious fundamentalists in preventing spontaneous miscarriage?
    - jlmorton 4y ago
      Great point!
- SantalBlush 4y ago
  Yes, I think that was the point. If people genuinely believed that abortion is the same as murder, they would have revolted against the government a long time ago. They don't really believe it. What they do believe, however, is that any woman who may need an abortion was being promiscuous, and should be punished for her actions. They absolutely believe that.