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All data shows that outlawing abortion does nothing to reduce abortion The abortion rate in the US was far lower pre-Roe. It went up 5x in the decade after it

All data shows that outlawing abortion does nothing to reduce abortion The abortion rate in the US was far lower pre-Roe. It went up 5x in the decade after it was nationally legalized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States#CDC_surveillance_reports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_Uni...

jimkleiber 4y ago
The link says that the CDC compiles data on legal abortions only, so I don't know how much those numbers prove the point.
divided 4y ago
Wrong and naive. Wrong because Roe v Wade was decided in 1973, the rate went from roughly 14 to 23 (a 64% increase). Naive because as Jim said, the article clearly states the numbers are voluntarily given and therefore would not include illegal abortions. And the recording started in 1969, so it wouldn’t be surprising for it to take time before clinics even began reporting. In other words, abortions in states where it was legal probably didn’t DOUBLE between 1970 and 1971, but rather reporting of them improved.
pmoriarty 4y ago
The numbers went up because people started coming out of the closet and admitting that, yeah, they were doing something that was previously illegal but was now legal. It doesn't mean that fewer of them were doing it before it became legal. They were doing it and hiding it. It's the same as when gay people finally started coming out of the closet, once the laws and stigmas against being gay were reduced. Now they could finally admit what they were doing all along, with less fear of being stigmatized, arrested, imprisoned, or killed.
qalmakka 4y ago
"Yes, hello, I'd like to report the crime I've committed". Come on. That's the exact same reason why there are no openly gay people walking in the streets in Saudi Arabia. You don't report something that you did illegally.
avs733 4y ago
As explained by others your interpretation of data is wrong. That doesn’t stop this falsehood from being repeated and it is one of many points of intellectual dishonesty that characterize the anti abortion movement. Assuming you brought this to the discussion in good faith I would encourage you to reflect on your information sources because one side of this debate has shown a willingness to lie, mislead, cheat, and commit violence in support of their ideology. Personally I have found that ideologies that behave like that do so consistently and will choose to mislead to get what they want. That is a helpful heuristic for guiding how I interpret their arguments and attempts to support them with data.

jimkleiber 4y ago

The link says that the CDC compiles data on legal abortions only, so I don't know how much those numbers prove the point.

divided 4y ago

Wrong and naive. Wrong because Roe v Wade was decided in 1973, the rate went from roughly 14 to 23 (a 64% increase). Naive because as Jim said, the article clearly states the numbers are voluntarily given and therefore would not include illegal abortions. And the recording started in 1969, so it wouldn’t be surprising for it to take time before clinics even began reporting. In other words, abortions in states where it was legal probably didn’t DOUBLE between 1970 and 1971, but rather reporting of them improved.

pmoriarty 4y ago

The numbers went up because people started coming out of the closet and admitting that, yeah, they were doing something that was previously illegal but was now legal. It doesn't mean that fewer of them were doing it before it became legal. They were doing it and hiding it. It's the same as when gay people finally started coming out of the closet, once the laws and stigmas against being gay were reduced. Now they could finally admit what they were doing all along, with less fear of being stigmatized, arrested, imprisoned, or killed.

qalmakka 4y ago

"Yes, hello, I'd like to report the crime I've committed". Come on. That's the exact same reason why there are no openly gay people walking in the streets in Saudi Arabia. You don't report something that you did illegally.

avs733 4y ago

As explained by others your interpretation of data is wrong. That doesn’t stop this falsehood from being repeated and it is one of many points of intellectual dishonesty that characterize the anti abortion movement. Assuming you brought this to the discussion in good faith I would encourage you to reflect on your information sources because one side of this debate has shown a willingness to lie, mislead, cheat, and commit violence in support of their ideology. Personally I have found that ideologies that behave like that do so consistently and will choose to mislead to get what they want. That is a helpful heuristic for guiding how I interpret their arguments and attempts to support them with data.