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But suddenly upon birth these same children need no societal protection? This is a straw man argument. No one is arguing children need no societal protection.

But suddenly upon birth these same children need no societal protection? This is a straw man argument. No one is arguing children need no societal protection. Look at the push for Head Start under Bush, for example. https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/earlychildhood/earlychildhood.html https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/earlychi...

philosopher1234 4y ago
Who cares what you’re arguing? It’s about what you’re doing, and the only thing that conservatives get out of bed for is restricting abortion. Where’s the massive conservative push for easing the burdens of child care through social support?
- l33t2328 4y ago
  Their stance is that abortion is killing babies. If that’s what you believe, it’s easier to get out of bed to stop baby murder than to help make child care more affordable.
- claytongulick 4y ago
  Because most conservatives believe that charity is a private, not government matter. This is could be a reason that religious folks and conservatives donate much more to charity, even though their income is less [1]. For cases like childcare, they believe that burdened families are best served by a close community coming together to help each other, rather than government programs. [1] https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/resource/statistics-on-u-s-generosity/ https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/resource/statistics-o...
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > and the only thing that conservatives get out of bed for is restricting abortion. They get out of bed for denying care that empirically has a massive effect of reducing suicide for trans people, too.
- nmz 4y ago
  That's the trap of America, All of the third world knows the type of logic America is founded on. Keep the servants weak so you can rule over them. They make the rules, and they make the loopholes. This sets the culture, which in turn creates morality. Unfortunately for them, we know their law is not based on ethics. Legal basis? With enough mastery, it can be whatever you want it to be.
jklinger410 4y ago
Conservative populism is usually DOA. They are very bad at creating social programs.
- InTheArena 4y ago
  All government has become profoundly bad - but medicare expansion and NCLB, and AIDS in Africa bills probably are not quite as bad as most.
sangnoir 4y ago
The modern-day Evangelical Christian voting block does not have Bush Republicans. Not by a long shot. Bush made overtures to Hispanics[1], that simply can't happen today. 1. A block that also skews religious, and socially conservative - that could totally work. There's only one problem with that in the present day.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  Are you sure about that? https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/14/texas-special-election-tx-34-mayra-flores-dan-sanchez/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/14/texas-special-electi...
elmomle 4y ago
I don't think it's a straw man. You show me the big evangelical movement centered around adoption of children who would have otherwise been aborted. Which, you know, would be the obvious Christian answer here, rather than forcing your will onto others.

philosopher1234 4y ago

Who cares what you’re arguing? It’s about what you’re doing, and the only thing that conservatives get out of bed for is restricting abortion. Where’s the massive conservative push for easing the burdens of child care through social support?

l33t2328 4y ago
Their stance is that abortion is killing babies. If that’s what you believe, it’s easier to get out of bed to stop baby murder than to help make child care more affordable.
claytongulick 4y ago
Because most conservatives believe that charity is a private, not government matter. This is could be a reason that religious folks and conservatives donate much more to charity, even though their income is less [1]. For cases like childcare, they believe that burdened families are best served by a close community coming together to help each other, rather than government programs. [1] https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/resource/statistics-on-u-s-generosity/ https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/resource/statistics-o...
dragonwriter 4y ago
> and the only thing that conservatives get out of bed for is restricting abortion. They get out of bed for denying care that empirically has a massive effect of reducing suicide for trans people, too.
nmz 4y ago
That's the trap of America, All of the third world knows the type of logic America is founded on. Keep the servants weak so you can rule over them. They make the rules, and they make the loopholes. This sets the culture, which in turn creates morality. Unfortunately for them, we know their law is not based on ethics. Legal basis? With enough mastery, it can be whatever you want it to be.

jklinger410 4y ago

Conservative populism is usually DOA. They are very bad at creating social programs.

InTheArena 4y ago
All government has become profoundly bad - but medicare expansion and NCLB, and AIDS in Africa bills probably are not quite as bad as most.

sangnoir 4y ago

The modern-day Evangelical Christian voting block does not have Bush Republicans. Not by a long shot. Bush made overtures to Hispanics[1], that simply can't happen today. 1. A block that also skews religious, and socially conservative - that could totally work. There's only one problem with that in the present day.

chitowneats 4y ago
Are you sure about that? https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/14/texas-special-election-tx-34-mayra-flores-dan-sanchez/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/14/texas-special-electi...

elmomle 4y ago

I don't think it's a straw man. You show me the big evangelical movement centered around adoption of children who would have otherwise been aborted. Which, you know, would be the obvious Christian answer here, rather than forcing your will onto others.