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They’re lying

jklinger410 4y ago
There are many conservatives in power who are lying, but there more people who live next door to you who genuinely believe it.
- philosopher1234 4y ago
  No they don’t. Because they don’t act on it. They believe it just deeply enough not to ask why their actions are wildly inconsistent.
  - Chris2048 4y ago
    By that logic - If I'm not willing to help someone else raise their children, I must (for consistency) allow them to murder their children if they wish to do so.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
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  - overrun11 4y ago
    Wildly inconsistent how? I'm asking in good faith and would like an example of an actual logical inconsistency, not a meme non sequitur about AR-15's or free healthcare.
  - jlmorton 4y ago
    Exactly this, a hundred times. Their actions betray them. If they actually thought there were half a million babies being murdered every year, tens of millions since Roe, they would have done something actively to stop it. If there were 500,000 five-year-old kids being murdered every year, with the explicit approval of the government, there would be a civil war. The fact that the overwhelming majority do not do anything is proof positive that they do not believe abortion is equivalent to murder. You can't simply claim, oh, I believe in democracy, or I believe in the rule of law in the face of a government that actively murders hundreds of thousands of children. No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders.
    - jklinger410 4y ago
      I think they are just very stupid, and lying to themselves. But this is such a deep stupidity, you can't just say their beliefs aren't real. If this belief of theirs isn't real, none of them are. Which I think is actually true. They believe in nothing.
    - peteradio 4y ago
      > No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders. That's where you are wrong. What action exactly are you looking for that would make you respect their beliefs? Apparently its outside the law.
      - jlmorton 4y ago
        Any political system that allows for the murder of half a million five year old children is very obviously not legitimate. If ever there were a justification for outright civil war, this would be it. It doesn't matter one bit whether it's a democracy, or the will of the majority. Any argument otherwise could equally justify any genocide.
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        If you really believe abortion is murder, you must believe that spontaneous miscarriage is the leading cause of death in the US, beating heart disease in #2 by a factor of 5. Where is the investment from religious fundamentalists in preventing spontaneous miscarriage?

They’re lying

There are many conservatives in power who are lying, but there more people who live next door to you who genuinely believe it.

philosopher1234 4y ago
No they don’t. Because they don’t act on it. They believe it just deeply enough not to ask why their actions are wildly inconsistent.
- Chris2048 4y ago
  By that logic - If I'm not willing to help someone else raise their children, I must (for consistency) allow them to murder their children if they wish to do so.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    - Chris2048 4y ago
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        Chris2048 4y ago
- overrun11 4y ago
  Wildly inconsistent how? I'm asking in good faith and would like an example of an actual logical inconsistency, not a meme non sequitur about AR-15's or free healthcare.
- jlmorton 4y ago
  Exactly this, a hundred times. Their actions betray them. If they actually thought there were half a million babies being murdered every year, tens of millions since Roe, they would have done something actively to stop it. If there were 500,000 five-year-old kids being murdered every year, with the explicit approval of the government, there would be a civil war. The fact that the overwhelming majority do not do anything is proof positive that they do not believe abortion is equivalent to murder. You can't simply claim, oh, I believe in democracy, or I believe in the rule of law in the face of a government that actively murders hundreds of thousands of children. No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders.
  - jklinger410 4y ago
    I think they are just very stupid, and lying to themselves. But this is such a deep stupidity, you can't just say their beliefs aren't real. If this belief of theirs isn't real, none of them are. Which I think is actually true. They believe in nothing.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    > No one has such a deep attachment to the rule of law for its sake as to tolerate 500,000 explicitly-legal child murders. That's where you are wrong. What action exactly are you looking for that would make you respect their beliefs? Apparently its outside the law.
    - jlmorton 4y ago
      Any political system that allows for the murder of half a million five year old children is very obviously not legitimate. If ever there were a justification for outright civil war, this would be it. It doesn't matter one bit whether it's a democracy, or the will of the majority. Any argument otherwise could equally justify any genocide.
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        If you really believe abortion is murder, you must believe that spontaneous miscarriage is the leading cause of death in the US, beating heart disease in #2 by a factor of 5. Where is the investment from religious fundamentalists in preventing spontaneous miscarriage?