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It’s a surface level protection. Forcing someone to bring an unwanted child into this world is not enlightened. There’s a reason why women and couples opt for a

It’s a surface level protection. Forcing someone to bring an unwanted child into this world is not enlightened. There’s a reason why women and couples opt for abortion. They’re often not ready for that responsibility, and it’s the kid who suffers most. Life for the sake of life feels like virtue signaling, especially since those who espouse it have no interest in providing social programs to help these mothers and couples raise the kid they were forced to have. That’s pretty barbaric. Congratulations. You saved a life you almost immediately stop giving a shit about.

sssilver 4y ago
One could argue that every living human — all of us — are a product of generations of rape and unwanted children whose lives no one cared about, who survived to have their own. Civilized humans who enjoyed enforced women’s rights are a laughably short segment of all human history.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  We're also the product of generations of people dying prematurely of diseases like polio; our lives would be quite a bit different if infant/child mortality had been 0% for the last 100k years. Should we not wipe out polio because our ancestors couldn't?
- EForEndeavour 4y ago
  If anything, reflecting on the stress and violence of our collective ancestors should only further strengthen the desire to do better by supporting things like "enforced women’s rights". Was that your point?
  - sssilver 4y ago
    The only point I have is that I’m incredibly happy to exist.
koheripbal 4y ago
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  There are absolutely children born to parents who do not want a child.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    They're just waiting for their real parents to come, it's all part of god's plan, innit
  - koheripbal 4y ago
    Unwanted by their parents does not mean they are unwanted by humanity.
    - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      Who should bear the responsibility (financial, effort, legal) of matchmaking?
    - ok_dad 4y ago
      I'll sign you up to take care of those kids, then. Just feel free to email me your full legal name and address (see my profile), and I'll hire a lawyer to figure out how to make that happen. I might even offer to pay for the costs for the child you adopt doing this for the first year if you act fast! Narrator: He never emailed.
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byyll 4y ago
> Forcing someone to bring an unwanted child into this world is not enlightened. > They’re often not ready for that responsibility So they could have used condoms, the man could have avoided ejaculating where it could cause pregnancy, or they could also just not have sex or the woman could take pills or an IUD. Unless it was rape, nobody forced them to have a child. I do agree that there should be programs that help the parents more.
- mikkergp 4y ago
  Clarence Thomas said we should reconsider contraception as a right, which according to your logic essentially means we should reconsider sex except for having a child as a right. You can't advocate for personal responsibility and then take away all mechanisms to conduct it.
  - byyll 4y ago
    I don't even know who Clarence Thomas is. It sounds like he is religious to me which as far as I know allows sex for procreation only, not for pleasure. Maybe I am wrong tho. Whoever he is, I can agree with some of his views while disagreeing with others.
    - gavinflud 4y ago
      He sits on the U.S. Supreme Court and is one of those responsible for this ruling.
- erikpukinskis 4y ago
  How do you feel about rape victims who are unable to prove they were raped in court and are forced to co-parent the rest of their life with their rapist? Or what about rape cases which take longer than 9 months to reach a conviction?
  - byyll 4y ago
    Rape is hard to prove and it doesn't necessarily mean co-parenting with the rapist, I think it's even more likely that he avoids responsibility and escapes than become a parent. And the second issue seems to be an issue of bureaucracy and it's slowness. Those cases are both valid where I think most people would argue it's not as clear cut but I think they are mostly the exception, not the rule.

sssilver 4y ago

One could argue that every living human — all of us — are a product of generations of rape and unwanted children whose lives no one cared about, who survived to have their own. Civilized humans who enjoyed enforced women’s rights are a laughably short segment of all human history.

ceejayoz 4y ago
We're also the product of generations of people dying prematurely of diseases like polio; our lives would be quite a bit different if infant/child mortality had been 0% for the last 100k years. Should we not wipe out polio because our ancestors couldn't?
EForEndeavour 4y ago
If anything, reflecting on the stress and violence of our collective ancestors should only further strengthen the desire to do better by supporting things like "enforced women’s rights". Was that your point?
- sssilver 4y ago
  The only point I have is that I’m incredibly happy to exist.

koheripbal 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago
There are absolutely children born to parents who do not want a child.
- aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
  They're just waiting for their real parents to come, it's all part of god's plan, innit
- koheripbal 4y ago
  Unwanted by their parents does not mean they are unwanted by humanity.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    Who should bear the responsibility (financial, effort, legal) of matchmaking?
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    I'll sign you up to take care of those kids, then. Just feel free to email me your full legal name and address (see my profile), and I'll hire a lawyer to figure out how to make that happen. I might even offer to pay for the costs for the child you adopt doing this for the first year if you act fast! Narrator: He never emailed.
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byyll 4y ago

> Forcing someone to bring an unwanted child into this world is not enlightened. > They’re often not ready for that responsibility So they could have used condoms, the man could have avoided ejaculating where it could cause pregnancy, or they could also just not have sex or the woman could take pills or an IUD. Unless it was rape, nobody forced them to have a child. I do agree that there should be programs that help the parents more.

mikkergp 4y ago
Clarence Thomas said we should reconsider contraception as a right, which according to your logic essentially means we should reconsider sex except for having a child as a right. You can't advocate for personal responsibility and then take away all mechanisms to conduct it.
- byyll 4y ago
  I don't even know who Clarence Thomas is. It sounds like he is religious to me which as far as I know allows sex for procreation only, not for pleasure. Maybe I am wrong tho. Whoever he is, I can agree with some of his views while disagreeing with others.
  - gavinflud 4y ago
    He sits on the U.S. Supreme Court and is one of those responsible for this ruling.
erikpukinskis 4y ago
How do you feel about rape victims who are unable to prove they were raped in court and are forced to co-parent the rest of their life with their rapist? Or what about rape cases which take longer than 9 months to reach a conviction?
- byyll 4y ago
  Rape is hard to prove and it doesn't necessarily mean co-parenting with the rapist, I think it's even more likely that he avoids responsibility and escapes than become a parent. And the second issue seems to be an issue of bureaucracy and it's slowness. Those cases are both valid where I think most people would argue it's not as clear cut but I think they are mostly the exception, not the rule.