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Christianity’s true face has been shown. I’ve rarely seen it to have anything to do with the teachings of Christ.

by d23 4y ago

spacemadness 4y ago
This isn’t really Christianity collectively. Lots of what’s happening in America is due to an American heretical brand of Christianity with its own motives outside the teachings of Christ.
- d23 4y ago
  Yes, to be fair I perhaps should have narrowed it to American Christianity.
koheripbal 4y ago
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Do not murder. The claim that abortion is forbidden "in all major religions" is false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion
- Covzire 4y ago
  As a Christian what strikes me is that very few who are free wish for slavery, and very few who are alive wish they had been aborted. Wealth makes this a virtually ironclad rule, and they'll have no excuse for killing those before they could find a voice or ability to defend themselves.
- monocasa 4y ago
  It's not in Judaism, and in fact wasn't during Jesus's time.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  Yet abortion is not forbidden in The Bible. In fact, The Bible provides explicit instruction on how and when to perform an abortion. Equating abortion to murder is a modern interpretation.
  - MatthewORyan 4y ago
    It does nothing of a sort. Stop lying.
    - thomastjeffery 4y ago
      Numbers 3:39-40 Genesis 2:7 Numbers 5:27 I'm not lying.
      - svieira 4y ago
        * Numbers 3:39-40 is taking an account of those of circumcisable age (e. g. those who are inducted into the covenant between God and Israel). That says nothing about their humanity. * The "ruah" of God is not the breath we take in with our lungs - and even if it were, that says how God created Adam, not how God created their children. Jeremiah 1:5 and Luke 1:44 * Numbers 5:27 - floor dust and burnt grain will not cause a woman to miscarry. Lying about the truth in front of the Truth Himself is grounds for punishment, but from God alone. Acts 5:1-10
        thomastjeffery 4y ago
        > That says nothing about their humanity. To you. But that's your interpretation. > even if it were, that says how God created Adam, not how God created their children. When one turns to The Bible for an answer about when conception becomes life, this is the clearest answer given. Arguing that it's not a clear enough answer supports my point. > Jeremiah 1:5 > > Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart You can still interpret that as development happening in the womb (not life yet) prior to the event that defines life (birth). I personally find that a clearer reading. Otherwise there is no reason to talk about birth as a second event. > > As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Now The Bible has contradicted itself. Until now, life began at breath, but now we have a fetus leaping for joy. We still have an unanswered question: when does the soul enter the body? At first breath? When the fetus is developed enough to move? When the heart develops enough to beat? When the blastocyst sticks to the uterine wall? When the zygote starts multiplying? When the DNA from the sperm is copied next to the DNA from the egg? Was it just this instance that the fetus became a living person (with a soul) early? None of these questions is answered clearly enough that I would be willing to base the law on it. > floor dust and burnt grain will not cause a woman to miscarry. I didn't say it would, the book did. > Lying about the truth in front of the Truth Himself is grounds for punishment, but from God alone. Is that a threat? How petty. But wasn't it The Bible itself lying here and not me? So you are using the book to threaten... the book? Have fun with that. Just don't expect me to play along.
dpbriggs 4y ago
Do you paint other religious groups with that same broad brush? I'm sure you supported similar rhetoric about Muslims post 9/11.
- d23 4y ago
  I’ve been immersed in it most of my life. I can’t say the same about Muslims because I never was one.
  - dpbriggs 4y ago
    I can't agree that being part of a group, especially one so large and diverse, gives you purchase to make sweeping generalizations.
    - d23 4y ago
      I didn’t ask for your agreement.

Christianity’s true face has been shown. I’ve rarely seen it to have anything to do with the teachings of Christ.

by d23 4y ago

Christianity’s true face has been shown. I’ve rarely seen it to have anything to do with the teachings of Christ.

This isn’t really Christianity collectively. Lots of what’s happening in America is due to an American heretical brand of Christianity with its own motives outside the teachings of Christ.

d23 4y ago
Yes, to be fair I perhaps should have narrowed it to American Christianity.

koheripbal 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago
Do not murder. The claim that abortion is forbidden "in all major religions" is false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_abortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_abortion
Covzire 4y ago
As a Christian what strikes me is that very few who are free wish for slavery, and very few who are alive wish they had been aborted. Wealth makes this a virtually ironclad rule, and they'll have no excuse for killing those before they could find a voice or ability to defend themselves.
monocasa 4y ago
It's not in Judaism, and in fact wasn't during Jesus's time.
thomastjeffery 4y ago
Yet abortion is not forbidden in The Bible. In fact, The Bible provides explicit instruction on how and when to perform an abortion. Equating abortion to murder is a modern interpretation.
- MatthewORyan 4y ago
  It does nothing of a sort. Stop lying.
  - thomastjeffery 4y ago
    Numbers 3:39-40 Genesis 2:7 Numbers 5:27 I'm not lying.
    - svieira 4y ago
      * Numbers 3:39-40 is taking an account of those of circumcisable age (e. g. those who are inducted into the covenant between God and Israel). That says nothing about their humanity. * The "ruah" of God is not the breath we take in with our lungs - and even if it were, that says how God created Adam, not how God created their children. Jeremiah 1:5 and Luke 1:44 * Numbers 5:27 - floor dust and burnt grain will not cause a woman to miscarry. Lying about the truth in front of the Truth Himself is grounds for punishment, but from God alone. Acts 5:1-10
      - thomastjeffery 4y ago
        > That says nothing about their humanity. To you. But that's your interpretation. > even if it were, that says how God created Adam, not how God created their children. When one turns to The Bible for an answer about when conception becomes life, this is the clearest answer given. Arguing that it's not a clear enough answer supports my point. > Jeremiah 1:5 > > Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart You can still interpret that as development happening in the womb (not life yet) prior to the event that defines life (birth). I personally find that a clearer reading. Otherwise there is no reason to talk about birth as a second event. > > As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Now The Bible has contradicted itself. Until now, life began at breath, but now we have a fetus leaping for joy. We still have an unanswered question: when does the soul enter the body? At first breath? When the fetus is developed enough to move? When the heart develops enough to beat? When the blastocyst sticks to the uterine wall? When the zygote starts multiplying? When the DNA from the sperm is copied next to the DNA from the egg? Was it just this instance that the fetus became a living person (with a soul) early? None of these questions is answered clearly enough that I would be willing to base the law on it. > floor dust and burnt grain will not cause a woman to miscarry. I didn't say it would, the book did. > Lying about the truth in front of the Truth Himself is grounds for punishment, but from God alone. Is that a threat? How petty. But wasn't it The Bible itself lying here and not me? So you are using the book to threaten... the book? Have fun with that. Just don't expect me to play along.

dpbriggs 4y ago

Do you paint other religious groups with that same broad brush? I'm sure you supported similar rhetoric about Muslims post 9/11.

d23 4y ago
I’ve been immersed in it most of my life. I can’t say the same about Muslims because I never was one.
- dpbriggs 4y ago
  I can't agree that being part of a group, especially one so large and diverse, gives you purchase to make sweeping generalizations.
  - d23 4y ago
    I didn’t ask for your agreement.