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If I understand correctly, it now devolves to the states where elected people make the laws that apply. So the issue is really what the hell is wrong with the

by voisin 4y ago

If I understand correctly, it now devolves to the states where elected people make the laws that apply. So the issue is really what the hell is wrong with the states where the people elected feel empowered to take rights away from half their populace.

jquery 4y ago
The Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing equal protection was supposed to end the patchwork system of having to live in the right state to be recognized as a full citizen.
brycewray 4y ago
> So the issue is really what the hell is wrong with the states where the people elected feel empowered to take rights away from half their populace. As I just said in my chosen Mastodon instance: “Ever since today’s Supreme Court decision was leaked, some have said that this oddly might hurt the Republicans in future elections — i.e., they’ll no longer have Roe v. Wade to use against the Democrats. However, this ignores what made today possible: the power of the Christian Right, particularly those whose votes won’t be erased by some currently running for office on promising to make it harder for anti-Rightists to vote (or have their votes count).” Those of you who don’t have a lot of exposure to that culture, and the way it has completely taken over a good chunk of American politics — not to mention one of the two major U.S. political parties — in the last forty-plus years, will find today a shock. And wait ’til you see what else they have in mind.
- PathOfEclipse 4y ago
  Won't pro-lifers still vote for Republicans in order, to, you know, legislate pro-life laws? All this decision does is place the issue back in the hands of the legislative branch, where it should always have been. Now, it's up to you to vote for what you want. Of the following two forces, the Christian right and the atheist Marxist left, I promise you the latter is far more shocking, dangerous, and self-destructive to America.
  - cr__ 4y ago
    I “promise” it’s the opposite so I guess everything cancels out.
  - generj 4y ago
    Remind me which side recently had a coup?
    - PathOfEclipse 4y ago
      Remind me which side calls for violent overthrow of existing institutions as a foundational belief? Hint: it's not the Christian right. Remind me which side is threatening supreme court justices right now? That looks an awful lot like insurrection: https://news.yahoo.com/protesters-descend-amy-coney-barrett-015809191.html https://news.yahoo.com/protesters-descend-amy-coney-barrett-... Remind me which side is planning to engage in acts of domestic terrorism this very weekend? https://aleteia.org/2022/06/24/department-of-homeland-security-warns-of-night-of-rage-after-roe/ https://aleteia.org/2022/06/24/department-of-homeland-securi... And if you say something like, "these people don't represent us," You can probably guess I'll respond: the small number of men who rioted at the capitol without any actual realistic plan to perform a coup don't represent us either. Leftist activists, unfortunately, are much smarter about what it takes to really overthrow a government, and they've been in it for the long haul for almost a century now.
      - generj 4y ago
        Oh I’m sorry did the protestors at Amy Barret’s house break in and smear feces on the walls? No, they just peacefully assembled? Yeah that isn’t an insurrection by any means. People loudly protest all the time, that isn’t the same thing as “domestic terrorism” even if some property gets damaged or relatively few people get hurt. By that definition the civil rights movement would have been domestic terrorism. You know what is domestic terrorism? Firebombing abortion clinics and murdering doctors like some “Christian” right members have done. Frankly the people who stormed the Capital are a sideshow. The real coup was directed from the highest seats of government to prevent the peaceful transition of power, and the mob was merely a minor part of the plan. The real action was in getting Pence out and selecting alternate electors illegally sent.
- mywittyname 4y ago
  It's pretty clear that the country is in for near-total Republican control of the federal government for a long time now, maybe indefinitely.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  some papers claim that 24% of American voters are Catholics-or-similar at this time
sumedh 4y ago
Republicans have always been against abortion, yet people vote for them, isnt that how democracy works? Major chunk of the US population dont support abortion and keep voting for politicians who support those beliefs.
- nightski 4y ago
  I wonder how many voted republican in spite of abortion because of Roe vs. Wade. Given what happened today this could hurt republican support because it makes abortion a more direct election issue. I wouldn't necessarily just assume all republicans are pro-life.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  Catholics and Evangelicals ... have always been against abortion FTFY
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  That is extrapolating too far. Many (perhaps most?) voters are single issue voters. Saying that all Republicans support banning abortion is not accurate; some people are Republicans for the tax breaks, etc.

by voisin 4y ago

jquery 4y ago

The Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing equal protection was supposed to end the patchwork system of having to live in the right state to be recognized as a full citizen.

brycewray 4y ago

> So the issue is really what the hell is wrong with the states where the people elected feel empowered to take rights away from half their populace. As I just said in my chosen Mastodon instance: “Ever since today’s Supreme Court decision was leaked, some have said that this oddly might hurt the Republicans in future elections — i.e., they’ll no longer have Roe v. Wade to use against the Democrats. However, this ignores what made today possible: the power of the Christian Right, particularly those whose votes won’t be erased by some currently running for office on promising to make it harder for anti-Rightists to vote (or have their votes count).” Those of you who don’t have a lot of exposure to that culture, and the way it has completely taken over a good chunk of American politics — not to mention one of the two major U.S. political parties — in the last forty-plus years, will find today a shock. And wait ’til you see what else they have in mind.

PathOfEclipse 4y ago
Won't pro-lifers still vote for Republicans in order, to, you know, legislate pro-life laws? All this decision does is place the issue back in the hands of the legislative branch, where it should always have been. Now, it's up to you to vote for what you want. Of the following two forces, the Christian right and the atheist Marxist left, I promise you the latter is far more shocking, dangerous, and self-destructive to America.
- cr__ 4y ago
  I “promise” it’s the opposite so I guess everything cancels out.
- generj 4y ago
  Remind me which side recently had a coup?
  - PathOfEclipse 4y ago
    Remind me which side calls for violent overthrow of existing institutions as a foundational belief? Hint: it's not the Christian right. Remind me which side is threatening supreme court justices right now? That looks an awful lot like insurrection: https://news.yahoo.com/protesters-descend-amy-coney-barrett-015809191.html https://news.yahoo.com/protesters-descend-amy-coney-barrett-... Remind me which side is planning to engage in acts of domestic terrorism this very weekend? https://aleteia.org/2022/06/24/department-of-homeland-security-warns-of-night-of-rage-after-roe/ https://aleteia.org/2022/06/24/department-of-homeland-securi... And if you say something like, "these people don't represent us," You can probably guess I'll respond: the small number of men who rioted at the capitol without any actual realistic plan to perform a coup don't represent us either. Leftist activists, unfortunately, are much smarter about what it takes to really overthrow a government, and they've been in it for the long haul for almost a century now.
    - generj 4y ago
      Oh I’m sorry did the protestors at Amy Barret’s house break in and smear feces on the walls? No, they just peacefully assembled? Yeah that isn’t an insurrection by any means. People loudly protest all the time, that isn’t the same thing as “domestic terrorism” even if some property gets damaged or relatively few people get hurt. By that definition the civil rights movement would have been domestic terrorism. You know what is domestic terrorism? Firebombing abortion clinics and murdering doctors like some “Christian” right members have done. Frankly the people who stormed the Capital are a sideshow. The real coup was directed from the highest seats of government to prevent the peaceful transition of power, and the mob was merely a minor part of the plan. The real action was in getting Pence out and selecting alternate electors illegally sent.
mywittyname 4y ago
It's pretty clear that the country is in for near-total Republican control of the federal government for a long time now, maybe indefinitely.
mistrial9 4y ago
some papers claim that 24% of American voters are Catholics-or-similar at this time

sumedh 4y ago

Republicans have always been against abortion, yet people vote for them, isnt that how democracy works? Major chunk of the US population dont support abortion and keep voting for politicians who support those beliefs.

nightski 4y ago
I wonder how many voted republican in spite of abortion because of Roe vs. Wade. Given what happened today this could hurt republican support because it makes abortion a more direct election issue. I wouldn't necessarily just assume all republicans are pro-life.
mistrial9 4y ago
Catholics and Evangelicals ... have always been against abortion FTFY
rootusrootus 4y ago
That is extrapolating too far. Many (perhaps most?) voters are single issue voters. Saying that all Republicans support banning abortion is not accurate; some people are Republicans for the tax breaks, etc.