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It effectively bans safe abortion for poor people in red states.

hossbeast 4y ago
The votes of the people living in those states do that
tobylane 4y ago
And perhaps states will outlaw them from travelling to blue states, and outlaws anyone assisting them. Missouri tried. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/us-abortions-travel-wave-of-restrictions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/us-abortions-t...
JacobThreeThree 4y ago
Because the state went through a democratic process and decided to do that. Democracy doesn't mean that everyone has to vote for the policies you like.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  How many dictators came to power through a democratic process? i think there was this really famous one in 1930's, what was his name...
  - JacobThreeThree 4y ago
    Ahh, so any democratic process that results in a policy you don't like is 1930's Germany. While any democratic process that results in a policy you do like is... ?
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      aah, so as long as something happened though a democratic process it's fine and dandy and no examination is needed as to the possible consequences of that decision?
  - usrn 4y ago
    1930s Germany had no democratic tradition so it's unsurprising that a reactionary conservative movement resulted in a dictator. That is absolutely not the case here, our republic is an enormous part of our tradition so it's extremely unlikely that such a movement here would have the same result. Also if you keep calling conservatives Nazis eventually they might start wondering why, they might start remembering and noticing things you'd rather they forget.
- showerst 4y ago
  "We have decided that rich people who can travel to a different state have different rights than poor people" is a very bad process. That's the difference between rights and privileges -- As of this week I can't vote away your your right to carry concealed weapon in my city, but you can vote to take away my access to abortion, or even contraception in yours?
  - usrn 4y ago
    Yes, abortion isn't a constitutional right.
throwaway09223 4y ago
OP is saying SCOTUS doesn't make abortion impossible (ruling that it is always tantamount to murder and thus never permissible). A ban would prohibit states from allowing abortion, and this isn't the case. SCOTUS has said that states may decide how to regulate it. Individual states will either ban, or not, as their constituents wish.

The votes of the people living in those states do that

And perhaps states will outlaw them from travelling to blue states, and outlaws anyone assisting them. Missouri tried. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/us-abortions-travel-wave-of-restrictions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/us-abortions-t...

JacobThreeThree 4y ago

Because the state went through a democratic process and decided to do that. Democracy doesn't mean that everyone has to vote for the policies you like.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
How many dictators came to power through a democratic process? i think there was this really famous one in 1930's, what was his name...
- JacobThreeThree 4y ago
  Ahh, so any democratic process that results in a policy you don't like is 1930's Germany. While any democratic process that results in a policy you do like is... ?
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    aah, so as long as something happened though a democratic process it's fine and dandy and no examination is needed as to the possible consequences of that decision?
- usrn 4y ago
  1930s Germany had no democratic tradition so it's unsurprising that a reactionary conservative movement resulted in a dictator. That is absolutely not the case here, our republic is an enormous part of our tradition so it's extremely unlikely that such a movement here would have the same result. Also if you keep calling conservatives Nazis eventually they might start wondering why, they might start remembering and noticing things you'd rather they forget.
showerst 4y ago
"We have decided that rich people who can travel to a different state have different rights than poor people" is a very bad process. That's the difference between rights and privileges -- As of this week I can't vote away your your right to carry concealed weapon in my city, but you can vote to take away my access to abortion, or even contraception in yours?
- usrn 4y ago
  Yes, abortion isn't a constitutional right.

throwaway09223 4y ago

OP is saying SCOTUS doesn't make abortion impossible (ruling that it is always tantamount to murder and thus never permissible). A ban would prohibit states from allowing abortion, and this isn't the case. SCOTUS has said that states may decide how to regulate it. Individual states will either ban, or not, as their constituents wish.