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We're not forcing anyone to have kids. 99% of would be abortions are preventable by just practicing safe sex. Yes I know there's the 1%, but let's talk about th

We're not forcing anyone to have kids. 99% of would be abortions are preventable by just practicing safe sex. Yes I know there's the 1%, but let's talk about the overwhelming majority here. If you can't afford children, be a responsible adult and don't have them. I wasn't talking about men's rights, but a humans right to life. How do you justify a mother opting to kill her unborn child while still condemning the killing of a born child? Again, 9 months of gestation is absolutely not more an invasion of autonomy than the following 18 years of care. To believe that its okay to kill a fetus 3 months into pregnancy but not okay to kill a newborn is pure mental gymnastics. In most abortions the aborted fetus would have developed into a healthy, functioning human being had you not prevented it. That's murder. You're taking away a humans opportunity for life.

widjit 4y ago
Discussions involve reading and considering and responding to people, not whatever it is you're doing
- MathCodeLove 4y ago
  Would you like to add anything constructive to this discussion or just insult me since you disagree with my politics?
  - igetspam 4y ago
    If you're not going to read the reply or respond to the points, why should they?
fleetwoodsnack 4y ago
Bless your heart.
- MathCodeLove 4y ago
  Please read: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - fleetwoodsnack 4y ago
    Sure, but some things don’t warrant all that many words. Bless your heart: I hope you have many life experiences that help you enrich your perspective and add nuance to your worldview.
    - MathCodeLove 4y ago
      It's incredible that when you disagree with someone, your assumption is that they lack life experience and have a naive worldview. Because surely if they were wiser, they'd agree with you, right? If you truly have a good response to the things I mentioned, I'd like to hear them. Your current behaviour truly is incredibly condescending.
      - fleetwoodsnack 4y ago
        If you insist. >99% of would be abortions are preventable by just practicing safe sex. Non-substantial and uncited statistic. 99% of pregnancy is prevented by safe sex. >Yes I know there's the 1%, but let's talk about the overwhelming majority here. Unsubstantiated ratio. Assumption that safe-sex is universally possible. It’s a privilege that not all get to enjoy, and abortion is the edge-case of human behavior that addresses those situations. >If you can't afford children, be a responsible adult and don't have them. Assumption of full reproductive autonomy. >Again, 9 months of gestation is absolutely not more an invasion of autonomy than the following 18 years of care. Moral hazard. >In most abortions the aborted fetus would have developed into a healthy, functioning human being had you not prevented it. That's murder. You're taking away a humans opportunity for life. In law we call this “but-for” analysis. Essentially, “but for” someone aborting a fetus, the fetus “would have developed into a healthy, functioning human being.” Everything else up to this point was fine but the last point is where the “bless your heart” materialized in my soul. Would that we could guarantee the health and functioning of humans, simply by not aborting them. They say “If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans,” but in your case it’s “If you want to make God laugh, tell him his plans.”
igetspam 4y ago
Texas law has no exceptions for rape or incest. In these circumstances, you are literally forcing someone to have a child after they've been violated. Abbott's argument is "Rape is a crime. And Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets." What have they been doing up to this point? Texas outpaces the nation in rape and has been trending upward. Know what else is illegal? Gun possession by violent criminals. Didn't Abbott also claim that if we made it harder for 18 year old white boys to get AR-15s then only the criminals would have guns? Why not apply the same logic in two places? (I own guns, I like shooting, I'm just no a fan of being full of shit and I believe in common sense fun laws, like most gun owners.) I know that last bit was a different topic but it illustrates some of the absolute mess that exists in TX politics. They can't even avoid using contradictory arguments in public statements. This is a bad state run by bad people who will say and do absolutely anything to defend the status quo, even if it means saying two opposing things in almost the same breath.
- MathCodeLove 4y ago
  So you focused on a fraction of a percent of abortion cases rather than the overwhelming majority that happen because the mother and/or father couldn't be bothered to have safe sex. I explicitly said in my comment lets talk about the majority. Marijuana causes some fraction of a percent of the population to go into a temporary psychosis, that doesn't mean it should be illegal. Why do you single out 18 year old white boys specifically? Was there a law that restricted 18 year old white men from purchasing guns that got shot down? If so, good. That's sexist and racist.
  - igetspam 4y ago
    Ah. So because it's on a small portion (cite your sources) that we harm irreparably, then it's ok. Cool beans. What was I thinking. Harming the most vulnerable to protect the majority is stupid math. You're also make an assertion about the majority without providing any data, so it's not fact but feeling. Re: the white boy problem Because as a an adult white male, I am allowed to call out my own. The perpetrators of most school shootings have been young, white, men. My wife isn't allowed to say it because she'll be shouted down by "not all men" and minorities can't say it because we'll call them racist and point out the one or two times a minority did it. Not enough white men are pointing at the common denominator (aside from "gun") and it's our responsibility to do so.

widjit 4y ago

Discussions involve reading and considering and responding to people, not whatever it is you're doing

MathCodeLove 4y ago
Would you like to add anything constructive to this discussion or just insult me since you disagree with my politics?
- igetspam 4y ago
  If you're not going to read the reply or respond to the points, why should they?

fleetwoodsnack 4y ago

Bless your heart.

MathCodeLove 4y ago
Please read: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- fleetwoodsnack 4y ago
  Sure, but some things don’t warrant all that many words. Bless your heart: I hope you have many life experiences that help you enrich your perspective and add nuance to your worldview.
  - MathCodeLove 4y ago
    It's incredible that when you disagree with someone, your assumption is that they lack life experience and have a naive worldview. Because surely if they were wiser, they'd agree with you, right? If you truly have a good response to the things I mentioned, I'd like to hear them. Your current behaviour truly is incredibly condescending.
    - fleetwoodsnack 4y ago
      If you insist. >99% of would be abortions are preventable by just practicing safe sex. Non-substantial and uncited statistic. 99% of pregnancy is prevented by safe sex. >Yes I know there's the 1%, but let's talk about the overwhelming majority here. Unsubstantiated ratio. Assumption that safe-sex is universally possible. It’s a privilege that not all get to enjoy, and abortion is the edge-case of human behavior that addresses those situations. >If you can't afford children, be a responsible adult and don't have them. Assumption of full reproductive autonomy. >Again, 9 months of gestation is absolutely not more an invasion of autonomy than the following 18 years of care. Moral hazard. >In most abortions the aborted fetus would have developed into a healthy, functioning human being had you not prevented it. That's murder. You're taking away a humans opportunity for life. In law we call this “but-for” analysis. Essentially, “but for” someone aborting a fetus, the fetus “would have developed into a healthy, functioning human being.” Everything else up to this point was fine but the last point is where the “bless your heart” materialized in my soul. Would that we could guarantee the health and functioning of humans, simply by not aborting them. They say “If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans,” but in your case it’s “If you want to make God laugh, tell him his plans.”

igetspam 4y ago

Texas law has no exceptions for rape or incest. In these circumstances, you are literally forcing someone to have a child after they've been violated. Abbott's argument is "Rape is a crime. And Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets." What have they been doing up to this point? Texas outpaces the nation in rape and has been trending upward. Know what else is illegal? Gun possession by violent criminals. Didn't Abbott also claim that if we made it harder for 18 year old white boys to get AR-15s then only the criminals would have guns? Why not apply the same logic in two places? (I own guns, I like shooting, I'm just no a fan of being full of shit and I believe in common sense fun laws, like most gun owners.) I know that last bit was a different topic but it illustrates some of the absolute mess that exists in TX politics. They can't even avoid using contradictory arguments in public statements. This is a bad state run by bad people who will say and do absolutely anything to defend the status quo, even if it means saying two opposing things in almost the same breath.

MathCodeLove 4y ago
So you focused on a fraction of a percent of abortion cases rather than the overwhelming majority that happen because the mother and/or father couldn't be bothered to have safe sex. I explicitly said in my comment lets talk about the majority. Marijuana causes some fraction of a percent of the population to go into a temporary psychosis, that doesn't mean it should be illegal. Why do you single out 18 year old white boys specifically? Was there a law that restricted 18 year old white men from purchasing guns that got shot down? If so, good. That's sexist and racist.
- igetspam 4y ago
  Ah. So because it's on a small portion (cite your sources) that we harm irreparably, then it's ok. Cool beans. What was I thinking. Harming the most vulnerable to protect the majority is stupid math. You're also make an assertion about the majority without providing any data, so it's not fact but feeling. Re: the white boy problem Because as a an adult white male, I am allowed to call out my own. The perpetrators of most school shootings have been young, white, men. My wife isn't allowed to say it because she'll be shouted down by "not all men" and minorities can't say it because we'll call them racist and point out the one or two times a minority did it. Not enough white men are pointing at the common denominator (aside from "gun") and it's our responsibility to do so.