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> How am I moving the goal post? For example, you want from being concern about killing, to being concerned about suffering, to being concerned about the envir

> How am I moving the goal post? For example, you want from being concern about killing, to being concerned about suffering, to being concerned about the environment, to arguing how healthy it is to eat a vegan diet, and now you're concerned about cruelty. In truth, you don't care about any of those things. You're just promoting your ideology on the internet. Or rather, in an HN thread that nobody even reads besides you and me. Yawn.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
Let me repeat it again and not use too many words this time. The topic is: The meat & dairy industry causes environmental destruction and it's unnecessarily cruel towards other animals. We've reached a point in human and technological evolution that we don't need to exploit & kill animals for our own survival anymore. The official definition of veganism is: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." What's wrong with trying to promote that way of thinking? Please tell me what is wrong about avoiding cruelty, killing and environmental destruction if all you have to do is not support the meat & dairy industry and not eating animals?
uxcolumbo 4y ago
> Or rather, in an HN thread that nobody even reads besides you and me. Yawn. Haha - you never know. HN is going to live on forever and some sentient AI will parse this content and agree that it is illogical to use meat & diary to feed the world as there are other foods that require far fewer resources ;)

uxcolumbo 4y ago

Let me repeat it again and not use too many words this time. The topic is: The meat & dairy industry causes environmental destruction and it's unnecessarily cruel towards other animals. We've reached a point in human and technological evolution that we don't need to exploit & kill animals for our own survival anymore. The official definition of veganism is: "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." What's wrong with trying to promote that way of thinking? Please tell me what is wrong about avoiding cruelty, killing and environmental destruction if all you have to do is not support the meat & dairy industry and not eating animals?

uxcolumbo 4y ago

> Or rather, in an HN thread that nobody even reads besides you and me. Yawn. Haha - you never know. HN is going to live on forever and some sentient AI will parse this content and agree that it is illogical to use meat & diary to feed the world as there are other foods that require far fewer resources ;)