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Former polisci PhD, now in an economics department. I’m gonna offer a qualified defence of the savagery. 1. Social science matters. If we predict inflation wro
by dash2 4y ago
Former polisci PhD, now in an economics department. I’m gonna offer a qualified defence of the savagery.
1. Social science matters. If we predict inflation wrong, or mistake what causes development, we screw up the world. (Hello Gunnar Myrdal.)
Therefore, if there’s a tradeoff between a nice atmosphere and getting things right, we should always prefer getting things right.
2. There is a rightness-maximizing level of savagery, which is strictly positive.
Bad ideas must be challenged. Sometimes bad ideas get entrenched. Then they must be challenged loudly and persistently.
Fields where this doesn’t happen tend to degenerate into back-scratching cliques. (Hello, humanities.)
Now clearly there is some level of savagery which is TOO savage. If you destroy a PhD student’s confidence, that’s hurtful and you’ve lost their future contributions. Aggression from the top can be used to defend entrenched but mistaken ideas.
And there’s certainly toxic behaviour in economics. I’ve seen it and experienced it!
3. Nevertheless, overall, econ does better at removing bad ideas than other social sciences. Our models can be critiqued… other soc scis often just have verbal models which are too vague to be wrong! Our focus on good research design to uncover causality is stronger than many other fields, also.
Lastly:
4. There’s more than one kind of toxicity.
There are many stories of bad abuses of power - eg sexual harassment - in supposedly “warm”, and highly feminist, fields like Eng Lit. Doubtless there are many reasons for any differences between fields. But I think one underestimated factor is that when there’s no ruthless, hard-faced empirical rigour, when theories are vague and evidence is narrative, then getting published comes to depend on academic politics - on alliances and cliques. That is a fertile breeding ground for abuse of power.
- eigenrobot 4y agoI should be clear that I mostly favor the savagery with the caveats you mention, and look back on it with fondness. God made Econ brownbags to train the faithful.
- Fomite 4y agoHonestly, I wasn't particularly impressed with the rigor of said savagery - it mostly came off as a combination of senior people wanting to flatter their own ego and accepted rudeness. I've been completely dismantled in a presentation before, and public health has fairly high stakes as well, but I let people finish their sentence first. The number of interruptions that were then addressed with "That's on the next slide" was staggering.
- dash2 4y agoI think it varies. I've seen "savagery" that was rigorous challenge, and savagery that was arrogant and unhelpful.