5 ms·

I’m a web developer, and I use Safari almost exclusively. It’s not the bane of my existence, I find it pleasant to work in, the dev tools are good. Just wanted

• RobertRoberts 4y ago
  Not all developers hated IE either.
  • icedchai 4y ago
    For much of the early 2000’s, IE was the only decent browser.
    • RobertRoberts 4y ago
      That is a subject statement, many people I knew preferred Netscape and then Phoenix.
      • tclancy 4y ago
        I find it hard to imagine anyone preferred Netscape 4.x to IE 5 and 5.5. I think even IE6 may have existed before Netscape 6, though I definitely made the switch to Phoenix as soon as I discovered it.
        • RobertRoberts 4y ago
          I certainly did. I used a lot of features in Netscape that IE never had, and at university it was _the_ browser used on campus in the late 90s. IE 5 was a buggy browser lacking a lot of features, but was used often by people not building things online. And forced on people by bizarre site requirements. Though this came worse with IE6. Microsoft was embroiled in legal issues of their browser at this time, and anyone with a sense of logic (most programmers) could see being locked into one piece of software instantly degrades the value of that software. Sept 2002 was when Phoenix was released.[0] IE 6 came out only a year before Phoenix.[1] And you if you were involved with Slashdot back in the day you were tracking browser usage as a daily trend. Phoenix was doing well. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_6
          • icedchai 4y ago
            IE had over 70% marketshare through 2005. In 2002, right after IE 6 was released, it was 85%. Everything else was in the weeds. https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/neil.the.analyst/viz/WebBrowserUsageOverTime2002-2019/WebBrowserUsageOverTime2002-2019 https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/neil.the.analyst/viz/...
            • RobertRoberts 4y ago
              The difference from now is that back then there was an army of dedicated tech oriented people that _knew_ MS and IE were a problem that needed to be resisted.
              • icedchai 4y ago
                I knew tech oriented people, myself included, that used a Windows desktops for a few years because the other browser alternatives were unacceptably bad.
          • tclancy 4y ago
            Sure. As someone who had to build sites for both, IE was far superior. Vague css support and it didn’t crash if you nested tables more than seven layers deep.
      • icedchai 4y ago
        I used Netscape through 4.x, up until 2000 or so. It took years before Phoenix / Firebird / Firefox was considered "stable" (I'd say Firefox 2.0?) There was a solid 4 or 5 years there where IE was your only real choice. Apple was even shipping IE with the Mac!
• Wazako 4y ago
  the biggest problem of safari (Apple ecosystem) is the same as IE or even worse, it is integrated into the system, and old devices like ipad do not have updates ...
  • diminish 4y ago
    Old iDevices who are stuck in a non-upgradeable Apple OS are a threat to humanity.
    • LocalH 4y ago
      lolwut
• stjohnswarts 4y ago
  A lot of the developers who rail against it are in the advertising industry and those who want to push notifications to you as well as run their garbage javascript in the background.
  • cyanydeez 4y ago
    Or perhaps people who search caniuse see it's flaring omissions