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>So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your contro

>So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. >From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage His incorrect dieting did the damage. You can drive a car well or you can drive it without a drivers license and crash in the first wall and kill yourself. You are again conflating legit dieting with incorrect dieting. >This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side... I cannot write here what I truly wish to say in regards to this comment as it would get me banned. There is no other way to reduce fatness other than with a diet change. You do realize that what you wrote makes no sense? How do you expect someone to lose weight without changing his diet? Unless you have a device at home capable or breaking the laws of physics, which I doubt. Exercise is hardly of any help for fat loss. The alternative are surgeries: but think about it: would you rather correctly adjust the food you eat or would you rather have a piece of you cut out and risking god knows what side effects of mutilating your body for having delusions of how mother nature designed the human body?

sgift 4y ago
> Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. Do you know this from experience or are you just assuming that because controlling your weight is easy it must be for everyone?
- Kbelicius 4y ago
  Easiest doesn't mean easy.
  - sgift 4y ago
    Easiest is still as subjective as it gets. I never smoked. So, I could say not smoking is the easiest thing. I haven't drunk alcohol in years. So, also more easy than loosing weight. And so on.
    - bavell 4y ago
      Swap "easiest" for "simplest" and it's more accurate to what OP was trying to convey. Literally all you have to do is eat less, that's it. Of course, that's not easy for everyone but it sure is simple. Simple->complex is orthogonal to easy->difficult.
      - makeitdouble 4y ago
        Stress and mental illness is as a pretty big factor in health degradation. Reducing that by just not dieting seems to me to be the simplest and easiest at the same time. To each their own, there's a lot of ways to look at any single situation.
makeitdouble 4y ago
> Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. Obesity is not a disease, it's a condition. The distinction is important. Some disease can be caused by excessive obesity, but being obese doesn't force getting these diseases. Here we don't know anything about someone on the internet, and there's no way for us to claim that they will have any critical disease due to their potential obesity. They might be perfectly fine for the rest of their life as they are now. Some studies actually find a longer lifespan for people lightly in the "overweight" zone. Basically, reducing weight might not benefit everyone "overweight" person. On the "easiest" part...living a less stressful life is also easy, and can be done by not stressing on diets... > There is no other way to reduce fatness other than with a diet change. My complaint is not as much on the "how" than on the "why". From the info we got, there just is no reason to reduce fatness in the first place. And then, if there were actual reasons, the solutions should be adjusted to those reasons. If it's heart diseases, there are more efficient means to prevent them (e.g. increasing exercice, or changing life habits like sleep patterns or reducing salt/adjusting water intake, etc.). If we really care about health, there is no universal advice.
- oifjsidjf 4y ago
  Keep coping with these "obesity is not a health issue" and "obese people live longer". Obese people are the only group of people that routinely die young.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    Give me the numbers. As far as I know suicide rate is higher than whatever can be attributed to overweight for 19- people.

sgift 4y ago

Kbelicius 4y ago
Easiest doesn't mean easy.
- sgift 4y ago
  Easiest is still as subjective as it gets. I never smoked. So, I could say not smoking is the easiest thing. I haven't drunk alcohol in years. So, also more easy than loosing weight. And so on.
  - bavell 4y ago
    Swap "easiest" for "simplest" and it's more accurate to what OP was trying to convey. Literally all you have to do is eat less, that's it. Of course, that's not easy for everyone but it sure is simple. Simple->complex is orthogonal to easy->difficult.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      Stress and mental illness is as a pretty big factor in health degradation. Reducing that by just not dieting seems to me to be the simplest and easiest at the same time. To each their own, there's a lot of ways to look at any single situation.

makeitdouble 4y ago

> Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. Obesity is not a disease, it's a condition. The distinction is important. Some disease can be caused by excessive obesity, but being obese doesn't force getting these diseases. Here we don't know anything about someone on the internet, and there's no way for us to claim that they will have any critical disease due to their potential obesity. They might be perfectly fine for the rest of their life as they are now. Some studies actually find a longer lifespan for people lightly in the "overweight" zone. Basically, reducing weight might not benefit everyone "overweight" person. On the "easiest" part...living a less stressful life is also easy, and can be done by not stressing on diets... > There is no other way to reduce fatness other than with a diet change. My complaint is not as much on the "how" than on the "why". From the info we got, there just is no reason to reduce fatness in the first place. And then, if there were actual reasons, the solutions should be adjusted to those reasons. If it's heart diseases, there are more efficient means to prevent them (e.g. increasing exercice, or changing life habits like sleep patterns or reducing salt/adjusting water intake, etc.). If we really care about health, there is no universal advice.

oifjsidjf 4y ago
Keep coping with these "obesity is not a health issue" and "obese people live longer". Obese people are the only group of people that routinely die young.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  Give me the numbers. As far as I know suicide rate is higher than whatever can be attributed to overweight for 19- people.