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OK cool. Then why does apple need to prevent people from installing other browsers, with other browser engines on iOS?

by amadeuspagel 4y ago

rahkiin 4y ago
Maybe apple can allow other browsers as long as they don’t use JITs. Would that satisfy you?
- mtomweb 4y ago
  Why can’t they bring their JITs? They’ve got better security records than Safari does.
zimpenfish 4y ago
> why does apple need to prevent people from installing other browsers Because, perhaps, the main one of those "other browsers" is widely considered to be a surveillance tool first, browser second, for a surveillance company and one of Apple's main current marketing thrusts is "we help you avoid people spying on you on your phone"?
- Agamus 4y ago
  Just for my own clarity, are you saying that the Apple telephone is not used for surveillance? Even by Apple?
- amadeuspagel 4y ago
  And that's why users have to prevented from installing all of those other browsers?
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > And that's why users have to prevented from installing all of those other browsers? ...yes? Who are people going to complain to when ANOther browser leaks their PII from an iPhone? Who will get the bad PR? It won't be ANOther browser because lord knows they've been getting away with it for years with little to no consequence. Why would Apple put themselves - and their customers given their marketing claims to care about their privacy - in a position where that privacy can a) be compromised and b) reflect badly on Apple?
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago
  >Because, perhaps, the main one of those "other browsers" is widely considered to be a surveillance tool first, browser second This argument falls over when the most popular apps on their store are YouTube, Google Maps, Instagram and TikTok. They’re fine with “surveillance tools” if they get a cut.
  - halostatue 4y ago
    Apple does not "get a cut" of any of those free applications. Unless you consider the minimal $100 / year that Google has to pay to be "a cut".
    - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
      Do they not get a cut of advertising?
      - halostatue 4y ago
        No, they do not. They only get advertising for ads that are shown in some applications (App Store, Apple News, one or two others).
        whywhywhywhy 4y ago
        That's weird I mean it's still their platform and tooling they're using to make money by the logic of requiring subs and purchases to be taxed. Definitely should be getting a cut of the ads too.

OK cool. Then why does apple need to prevent people from installing other browsers, with other browser engines on iOS?

rahkiin 4y ago

Maybe apple can allow other browsers as long as they don’t use JITs. Would that satisfy you?

mtomweb 4y ago
Why can’t they bring their JITs? They’ve got better security records than Safari does.

zimpenfish 4y ago

> why does apple need to prevent people from installing other browsers Because, perhaps, the main one of those "other browsers" is widely considered to be a surveillance tool first, browser second, for a surveillance company and one of Apple's main current marketing thrusts is "we help you avoid people spying on you on your phone"?

Agamus 4y ago
Just for my own clarity, are you saying that the Apple telephone is not used for surveillance? Even by Apple?
amadeuspagel 4y ago
And that's why users have to prevented from installing all of those other browsers?
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > And that's why users have to prevented from installing all of those other browsers? ...yes? Who are people going to complain to when ANOther browser leaks their PII from an iPhone? Who will get the bad PR? It won't be ANOther browser because lord knows they've been getting away with it for years with little to no consequence. Why would Apple put themselves - and their customers given their marketing claims to care about their privacy - in a position where that privacy can a) be compromised and b) reflect badly on Apple?
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
>Because, perhaps, the main one of those "other browsers" is widely considered to be a surveillance tool first, browser second This argument falls over when the most popular apps on their store are YouTube, Google Maps, Instagram and TikTok. They’re fine with “surveillance tools” if they get a cut.
- halostatue 4y ago
  Apple does not "get a cut" of any of those free applications. Unless you consider the minimal $100 / year that Google has to pay to be "a cut".
  - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
    Do they not get a cut of advertising?
    - halostatue 4y ago
      No, they do not. They only get advertising for ads that are shown in some applications (App Store, Apple News, one or two others).
      - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
        That's weird I mean it's still their platform and tooling they're using to make money by the logic of requiring subs and purchases to be taxed. Definitely should be getting a cut of the ads too.