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Switched to Safari a couple years ago and haven’t looked back. Chrome feels like a dinosaur and I miss it only for the dev tools. Sorry to break it to you, but

Switched to Safari a couple years ago and haven’t looked back. Chrome feels like a dinosaur and I miss it only for the dev tools. Sorry to break it to you, but Safari is the better browser. I’m glad they limit the engine choice. At least apples authoritarian policies are limited to their own platforms, meanwhile Google is quickly fencing off the web for itself in pure EEE style, with new “standards” flying out as fast as they can tweet them.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Sorry to break it to you, but Safari is the better browser. unless you are in the 92% of the World that does not use Apple HW for computing and/or the 87% of the World that does not use an iPhone.
amadeuspagel 4y ago
> Sorry to break it to you, but Safari is the better browser. > I’m glad they limit the engine choice. Why is that necessary if Safari is the better browser anyway?
- jalfresi 4y ago
  Because the browser market is not a free market; both Apple and Google leverage their existing positions in other markets to promote their browsers.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  If only Apple would prevent grandparent commenter from installing browsers with other rendering engines on MacOS too. Why isn't Apple, in its benevolence, restricting browser choice on MacOS?
janesconference 4y ago
If Safari is the better browser, they should allow competition. Users will choose the better browser anyway.
- falcolas 4y ago
  Not when Google properties show their “some features wont work on your browser” lies, err, alerts. ~65% of users are not savvy enough to see this as the marketing statement it is, and will treat it as a real reason to get chrome. I’ve watched it happen in front of my eyes.
agust 4y ago
Safari is in no way a better browser than any competitor. It is widely known in the web developer community that it is rigged with bugs and lagging behind in terms of features.
- MrScruff 4y ago
  Perhaps the statement should be, Safari is in no way a better browser than any competitor for developers.
  - chanc3e 4y ago
    I think this is the correct take. Most comments have been developers complaining that Safari doesn't do esoteric task _x_ rather than their clients can't achieve _y_ Apple make products for the top end of customers and they don't want to be dealing with complaints from Grandma about battery life because they hit a series of dark patterns and accidentally installed Chrome and made it default. They've made it quite clear IMO that pwa style products would be better served by a native app.
    - MCArth 4y ago
      That's like saying we should be writing all our applications in assembly. No. Developer productivity is important, and it does impact the end user in quality and amount of features.
      - stjohnswarts 4y ago
        It's not important to me that your job is easier. I'm a dev and I deal with hard shit 5 days out of the week. My users don't give fk about that, they only care that my product works on their phone.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> Sorry to break it to you, but Safari is the better browser. unless you are in the 92% of the World that does not use Apple HW for computing and/or the 87% of the World that does not use an iPhone.

amadeuspagel 4y ago

> Sorry to break it to you, but Safari is the better browser. > I’m glad they limit the engine choice. Why is that necessary if Safari is the better browser anyway?

jalfresi 4y ago
Because the browser market is not a free market; both Apple and Google leverage their existing positions in other markets to promote their browsers.
lern_too_spel 4y ago
If only Apple would prevent grandparent commenter from installing browsers with other rendering engines on MacOS too. Why isn't Apple, in its benevolence, restricting browser choice on MacOS?

janesconference 4y ago

If Safari is the better browser, they should allow competition. Users will choose the better browser anyway.

falcolas 4y ago
Not when Google properties show their “some features wont work on your browser” lies, err, alerts. ~65% of users are not savvy enough to see this as the marketing statement it is, and will treat it as a real reason to get chrome. I’ve watched it happen in front of my eyes.

agust 4y ago

Safari is in no way a better browser than any competitor. It is widely known in the web developer community that it is rigged with bugs and lagging behind in terms of features.

MrScruff 4y ago
Perhaps the statement should be, Safari is in no way a better browser than any competitor for developers.
- chanc3e 4y ago
  I think this is the correct take. Most comments have been developers complaining that Safari doesn't do esoteric task _x_ rather than their clients can't achieve _y_ Apple make products for the top end of customers and they don't want to be dealing with complaints from Grandma about battery life because they hit a series of dark patterns and accidentally installed Chrome and made it default. They've made it quite clear IMO that pwa style products would be better served by a native app.
  - MCArth 4y ago
    That's like saying we should be writing all our applications in assembly. No. Developer productivity is important, and it does impact the end user in quality and amount of features.
    - stjohnswarts 4y ago
      It's not important to me that your job is easier. I'm a dev and I deal with hard shit 5 days out of the week. My users don't give fk about that, they only care that my product works on their phone.