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You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You were on a very good path when doing keto, but why did you starve yourself? There are two

You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You were on a very good path when doing keto, but why did you starve yourself? There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss: 1) low-fat high-carb 2) high-fat low-carb Pick one and stick with it. But god help you if you will mix large amounts of carbs and fats. Your only mistake is that you starved yourself on keto, people have extreme success on keto/carnivore. No need to starve yourself.

makeitdouble 4y ago
> You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You are responding to a description of pain and suffering through all kinds of diets....with a push to do more diet. And that, without any better argumentation than "There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss". At this point it's just plain evil.
- oifjsidjf 4y ago
  You understood nothing that I wrote. Obesity leads to an early death. "Evil"? Trying to show a person that his mistake was starving himself when he thinks that keto was the problem is evil? Since when is pointing out mistakes that a person can use to correct himself evil? You truly have a warped worldview. If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. If you belive that diet==starvation than you understand nothing about dieting. For example, people on a good keto diet do not even remotely starve, are fully satiated (after the first 14 days that the body requires so adjust to this diet, which is an annoying period) and lose a lot of weight.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    > Obesity leads to an early death. So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage, and they got better when they stopped caring about that "Obesity leads to an early death." mantra: > I still have palpitations sometimes, and I will never know what damage yoyo dieting for years did to me. [...] I don't focus on how I look anymore, I focus on being strong. On your general stance on the subject: > If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side...
    - oifjsidjf 4y ago
      >So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. >From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage His incorrect dieting did the damage. You can drive a car well or you can drive it without a drivers license and crash in the first wall and kill yourself. You are again conflating legit dieting with incorrect dieting. >This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side... I cannot write here what I truly wish to say in regards to this comment as it would get me banned. There is no other way to reduce fatness other than with a diet change. You do realize that what you wrote makes no sense? How do you expect someone to lose weight without changing his diet? Unless you have a device at home capable or breaking the laws of physics, which I doubt. Exercise is hardly of any help for fat loss. The alternative are surgeries: but think about it: would you rather correctly adjust the food you eat or would you rather have a piece of you cut out and risking god knows what side effects of mutilating your body for having delusions of how mother nature designed the human body?
      - sgift 4y ago
        > Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. Do you know this from experience or are you just assuming that because controlling your weight is easy it must be for everyone?
        Kbelicius 4y ago
        Easiest doesn't mean easy.
        sgift 4y ago
        Easiest is still as subjective as it gets. I never smoked. So, I could say not smoking is the easiest thing. I haven't drunk alcohol in years. So, also more easy than loosing weight. And so on.
andreareina 4y ago
Don't need to go low fat OR carbs to be healthy. Restricting a whole macronutrient can help because of the effects on palatability and satiety but it's hardly required and IME is more likely to result in a worse relationship with food.

makeitdouble 4y ago

> You are fooling yourself if you think that being fat is healthy. You are responding to a description of pain and suffering through all kinds of diets....with a push to do more diet. And that, without any better argumentation than "There are two kinds of diets that lead to healthy weight loss". At this point it's just plain evil.

oifjsidjf 4y ago
You understood nothing that I wrote. Obesity leads to an early death. "Evil"? Trying to show a person that his mistake was starving himself when he thinks that keto was the problem is evil? Since when is pointing out mistakes that a person can use to correct himself evil? You truly have a warped worldview. If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. If you belive that diet==starvation than you understand nothing about dieting. For example, people on a good keto diet do not even remotely starve, are fully satiated (after the first 14 days that the body requires so adjust to this diet, which is an annoying period) and lose a lot of weight.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  > Obesity leads to an early death. So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage, and they got better when they stopped caring about that "Obesity leads to an early death." mantra: > I still have palpitations sometimes, and I will never know what damage yoyo dieting for years did to me. [...] I don't focus on how I look anymore, I focus on being strong. On your general stance on the subject: > If someone is fat his diet must be changed. There is no other way. This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side...
  - oifjsidjf 4y ago
    >So does a lot of things, including eating disorders and living a miserable life in the first place. Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. >From the parent's post, it's clear that dieting has done significant damage His incorrect dieting did the damage. You can drive a car well or you can drive it without a drivers license and crash in the first wall and kill yourself. You are again conflating legit dieting with incorrect dieting. >This is a text book example of dogma. and if you really meant it, I guess there will be no amount of discussion that actually leads to anything productive on either yours or my side... I cannot write here what I truly wish to say in regards to this comment as it would get me banned. There is no other way to reduce fatness other than with a diet change. You do realize that what you wrote makes no sense? How do you expect someone to lose weight without changing his diet? Unless you have a device at home capable or breaking the laws of physics, which I doubt. Exercise is hardly of any help for fat loss. The alternative are surgeries: but think about it: would you rather correctly adjust the food you eat or would you rather have a piece of you cut out and risking god knows what side effects of mutilating your body for having delusions of how mother nature designed the human body?
    - sgift 4y ago
      > Obesity is the easiest preventable thing under your control that you can directly influence to assure that an early death does not come, you are coping and desperately trying to twist what I said. Do you know this from experience or are you just assuming that because controlling your weight is easy it must be for everyone?
      - Kbelicius 4y ago
        Easiest doesn't mean easy.
        sgift 4y ago
        Easiest is still as subjective as it gets. I never smoked. So, I could say not smoking is the easiest thing. I haven't drunk alcohol in years. So, also more easy than loosing weight. And so on.

andreareina 4y ago

Don't need to go low fat OR carbs to be healthy. Restricting a whole macronutrient can help because of the effects on palatability and satiety but it's hardly required and IME is more likely to result in a worse relationship with food.